I'm sorry Mordred. It's not you. I just shared every aspect of every question concerning the creation with the talk I sent in. This guy is hard to understand if you don't know the lingo, perhaps, but I have very clearly stated that the earth could not be 6,000 years old. Humans have been here 6,000 years, but the creation itself took at LEAST 6000 years so that would make the earth at LEAST 12,000 years old and likely much older from how I see things. I know, of course, there is something to the science out there. How could you not? I am not highly educated in science but my Associate degree is in Science. I missed some steps when we learned algebra not long after my dad had died so struggled with it - never learned it right at that time so got intimidated and afraid I wouldn't get into the nursing program at BYU where I had transferred (before even trying) switched over to Administrative Medical Assisting course at a business college. Wasn't looking at a serious career - just needed to support myself for the time being. (Short sited, but I may go into teaching now anyway) But this was 25 years ago. A lot has been learned and expounded on in that time as I learned when I subbed long term for a science collab teacher. It was only high school level, but things have come quite a way since then. I totally know my own limitations. I have brain fog, but am an intelligent person. I am just tired of all the inuendos direct and otherwise making us look like idiots. There is a lot of arrogance on here or at least with most a lack of open mindedness. I've been warned by others on here, but I'm seeing it now. You see the same argument...(that's not science, please stick to the thread even though THEY get off, etc. etc.) I have given these guys on here the benefit of the doubt that its a faith crisis of sorts and maybe it is.... If you carefully read the post of Bruce R. McConkie's above he explains in there the points about the creation. This is the most intelligent explanation out there from a religions standpoint. I've met a LOT of famous people in my life because my husband use to be in the music business. He lived in the same apt. building as The Eagles. He opened up for Ted Nugent and had lunch with him. (Learned some of his moves from him.. they both have long legs). He opend up for David Bowie and actually outperformed him during the Ziggy Stardust tour. He dragged friends out to Hollywood who waited it out longer than he did and are now famous drummers who are in the big time of their genres. He toured with Ambrosia. He had a hit record with Skylark (David Foster) called Wildflower. I've met a lot of people through his friends including Sir David Foster (google him) who introduced us to famous studio guys, Earth Wind and Fire band members, Enrique Iglesius, Babyface, and others. I've met and hung out with Vince Gill and his band. After one gig we hung out on their bus with them. John has countless stories about famous people. Paul Stanley even flew him out to audition per Ace Frehley's recommendation to replace Ace but his hair was the wrong color. (Not that I personally like KISS). My point is that NOTHING was more exciting to me than meeting this great man, Bruce R. McConkie's son...(the man who wrote the article I sent) or seeing other apostles (present day...apostles just like the ones Jesus had including Peter, James and John) on the street in SLC, UT. I have seen prophets of God...including the Presidents of the church. The spirit they emanate is undeniable. They are closer to God than any humans on the earth. You cannot deny this fact in hearing them. I went to a General conference in UT while a student there. The present prophet of the church spoke. I was so excited to hear him because I had taken an Old Testament class from his son at Brigham Young University when he was next in line to be the President and have always loved him. (The apostle with the most seniority is always next in line). When he walked on the stage just seeing him bowled me over. I was overcome with emotion. At this period of my life I was working in an "elite" petroleum laboraty section of our Army Reserve unit. We were looked up to because we all had to have scored a certain amount of points on the ASFAB test to be able to be in that MOS and all were smart. I could've chosen whatever I wanted to for a job in the reserves but only did it to pay off student loans. I chose this unit because my boyfriend (now husband) was in it. (When he got out of the music business he was starting all over - when KISS didn't pan out he decided to try another life which was when we met). Anyway, these guys, also LDS (Mormon) students at BYU were into science. One was a geology major. They were playing around with different theories which perverted the creation as told Biblically. I was confused by it. Anyway Pres. Ezra Taft Benson began speaking at this conference. I can't remember now what he was speaking about but it was NOT on the creation. However, out of the blue and out of context with what his talk was on, he looked in my direction (at me...I really believe that) and told me and the audience that these theories going around are false and that the creation happened as set out in the Bible. THAT is why I am so adamant about my feelings. These people on here can scoff all they want... I don't expect them to even accept or believe this because they don't believe even in God for sure. But I was told by God through a prophet. I cannot deny that. I have been a believer all my life. I've gone to one church or another since I was 3. I was an angelic child : ) Once my dad died when i was 12 (and with adolescence) I tried a few things at a young age and picked up quickly that it was not for me. I got back into religion but things weren't adding up to me either. Its why I feel for you guys. I understand. But I really have found all my answers about who I am, where we come from and why we are here and are going through the restored fullness of the Gospel. We have the same church as organized when Christ was on the earth. But as I keep saying on here I am not a "young earth creationist." But I do not accept Lucy or any other supposedly old bones as proof that man began or evolved as long ago as is thought. The history of man goes back 6,000 years give or take 20 years or so. Period. As far as the creation it took longer. The materials on the earth have always been in existence but we don't know how long it actually took to organize the earth into being habitable.

And yes, LL, if you are reading this - its a hard concept to grasp even for Latter-Day Saints, but Adam and Eve did what they had to for men to come to earth to be tested. Otherwise as stated, they would not have had seed....They would have remained in an immortal state. God had to warn them what would happen so they would CHOOSE to fall. They made the right choice. Note the 2nd Article of Faith below.

Mordred - I'm sorry. What I said is a result of posting on here for a long time to closed ears....I didn't mean to insult you. Obviously I don't know you. I'm just wary of the attitudes on here.

1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5 We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.