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I am getting confused - some sites are saying to start chelating about 4 days after removal and others say to wait 3 months. I believe that I am detoxing already and my body is dumping stuff. I think from reading some testimonials I though I would feel wonderful after removal. I have had a headache since my last DMPS IV a month and half ago. It is right above my eyes with blurry vision and dizziness. Mentally I feel very clear and optimisitic. The depressed state I was in has changed and that happened after the last 4 were removed. However, I am always tettering on "AM I doing enough? vs "Am I doing too much?" My husband says let my body work for me but then I wonder if I mobilized too much mercury doing the inproper chelation and if some DMSA would erase this headache. I felt good when I started chelating - I felt great! enough though it was a horrible protocol of 250 mg DMSA daily with weekly DMPS IV. So this where I am now:

currently doing parasite cleanse day #5
supplements:
milk thistle 3xday
magnesium 400 mg 3x day
vitamin E 400 IU 3x day
Selenium 50 mcg 1 day
vitamin C 10 g day
molybdenum 150 mg 4 x day
pantitine 300 mg 3 x day
chromium picolinate 200 mcg 3x day
vitamin D3 (non fish liver source) 2500 IU 1 x day - I was vitamin D deficient
Big 100 vitamin B 2 x day
folic acid 5g 1 x day (had precancerous cells on cervix and large doses is supposed to help reoccurence)
Zinc 30 mg 1 x day
Thyroid med

Sauna 30 mins at least every other day
Massage 60 min 1 x every other week
Was taking garlic but I smelled too much

How does it look? Any suggestions?

I think I am dumping because my urine is merky (it has a film over it and it is dark especially upson waking) and my stool looks like a chemical reaction is going on - not sure if that is due to sulfur in parasite cleanse (there is garlic in it).


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Now that I read back my post I realize that I am doing quite well considering it has only been 5 days post amalgam and I just need to be patient and let my body do its thing. I am not ready for chelation yet. Sometimes my brain thinks that if I just start chelating I will feel better or that I need to grab any mercury that was mobilized. I forgot to mention too that I am doing castor oil packs 3x week and I take ALgin - about 10 a day.


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You really are doing great!!!

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Thanks for the reassurance! This can be a lonely process at times. Nobody quite understands except those who are there or have been there. I always relied on doctors to diagnose and treat me - now I can treat myself. That is both exciting and scary. Today it is scary. This forum helps so much though. I love it!


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I know...I lost faith in Doctors long ago - or at least realized that I am the captain of my own ship (body) so to speak. But I got off track strictly speaking and need to get back to the kind of passion you have for being healthy....

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The yellow urine is due to the huge amount of B vitamins you are taking. Imo taking two B100 pills a day is too much. Some would advise a B25(or even half a B25 especially for someone who is petite) 2 to 4 times a day. If you have dark concentrated urine, then you should be drinking more water. Don't do chelation while doing a parasite cleanse. The parasite cleanse is enough stress on your body. imo you should add raw garlic back to your regimen in even higher doses than you were taking. In addition to killing parasites, it also helps detoxify the body from misc. toxins, and also from mercury. The idea of the wait before chelation is to get the body to rid itself of mercury that is not buried deep in organs. You want this mercury mostly gone first before you use chelation to drag out mercury that is buried deeep in organs(some of which will redistribute. That is why there is a rest period between rounds. To give the body a chance to get rid of at least some of the mercury that redistributed from the previous round. I know the temptation is to doo too much too soon with both parasite cleansing and with chelation, but doing so may cause you to suffer. Taking a slower and more methodical approach is safer, and will probably yield better results.

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JK98,
in reference to the garlic - I know some people can handle it and some can't - doesn't it mobilize mercury and if you can't secrete it fast enough cause redistribution. Raw garlic - I can't do - I am a teacher and smelling like garlic (it pours out of me - even 1 clove) isn't really an option if I would like to keep my job. Supplements I can do - they are supposed to be odor free. How many woudl you suggest - mine contain
440 mg allium sativum
6,248 mcg allicin
14,960 mcg allin
4,554 mcg sulfur


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Mercuryfree, you don't have to wait three months. You can chelate before then, 4 days following removal according to Cutler. The only problem is, you would be wise to avoid brain chelating agents (like cilantro, Alpha lipic Acid (ALA) etc), because your blood/tissue levels of mercury and other areas will still likely be quite high in mercury. They will be going down gradually following amalgam removal, but you can speed this up with DMSA and it may also help control symptoms.

Some people just use DMSA and heal from that alone as I think it's FAR more powerful than given credit for and does a pretty good job of clearing mercury out. However, after three months post amalgam removal, you can have the option of using brain chelating agents, as mercury levels in your blood etc are lowered enough to be able to do this.

This is why I think people say do not chelate until 3 months are up, because they are probably talking about how your body will be lowering it's own extra cellular mercury gradually in that time. You can let it do this on its own , or speed it up wtih DMSA.

Some people have a real issue after about 6 months or more following amalgam removal as stored mercury begins to start dumping out. It's known as the second phase of suffering. For some it can happen earlier, others it can happen later. 6 months is the typical time period, but I took over a year for mine to start. Which may not have occured, had I been actively chelating beforehand, which may have lowered mercury levels before the dumping started!

Your supplement list looks excellent. Also make sure you get enough iodine in your diet, quite a few of us are deficient and mercury displaces it, blocks the action of it in the thyroid, which may account for why many need thyroid treatment. Iodine has been known to be very helpful for some, but should start out slowly and low dose to check for reactions. It can also precipitate some metal excretion, because once you get enough iodine, metals can be naturally excreted from binding sites.

I'd be careful though if you are on thyroid medication as well. The two may not mix too well....I'm not sure enough about it. Some who have taken iodine, have been able to go off thyroid medication as their thyroid has improved its function. Check these out (click on them):

Iodine, bring back the universal nutrient

Iodine and chelation

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Thanks - I think I may try a round of chelation after this parasite cleanse. I am feeling pretty crappy but not sure what to attribute it to - they are many factors as there always are. First, I am 5 days post last amalgam removal. Second, I just got my menses tonight (first time in my life I ever got it at night - I always get it first thing in the morning) and I usually get migraines with it. Third, I am taking garlic. Fourth, I am doing a parasite cleanse. Any one of those could be doing it. My symptoms - tired, major headache over eyes - makes me just want to close them, anxiety, and some nausea. My mood has been pretty good. I'm trying to narrow it down and see if it gets worse after taking the parasite cleanse - I have been passing stuff even on a low dose which makes me not want to stop it or see if it is the garlic - i could tolerate it before but now with amalgams out maybe I can't. Eggs make me feel better though and they are sulfur so that makes me think garlic is okay. I'm curious about chelation because I felt so good doing it before even with amalgams and large doses - it makes me think that lower doses would be okay for me. I have it all ready in 6.25mg capsules. But I still have 25 days on this cleanse.


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I had stopped the garlic well at least raw for a few days but went back on the supplements today as per the advice of JK98. I'm hoping I can tolerate it. I did before amalgams and did well with the raw but I just can't keep that up. I know it is good though for yeast and parasites. I didn't take any SUnday and I felt okay but then added it back Monday - only 1 tablet and then today again. I guess it is trial and error. I need to give it some time though because it might be killing some yeast and parasites too causing die off symptoms not necessarily mercury symptoms. AHHHHHH - this is so confusing!


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It sounds like your body is very toxic now not just due to the mercury, but also toxins that parasites and/or candida are releasing as they are being killed. Perhaps you need to add some more detoxifying herbs to your regimen? Perhaps licorice root, dandelion, alfalfa, or others? You did say you are using milk thisle which helps detoxification. So does garlic. Perhaps you may also need to drink more water. Are you getting enough potassium and sodium? In hot weather if you are sweating plenty you don't need just water, but also plenty of potassium. Potassium in present in large amounts in fruits and vegetables as well as milk and dairy products. While the typical American takes in too much sodium, those like me who typcally eat low sodium foods need to remember to use the salt shaker so they get enough sodium.

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I don't buy the argument of redistribution due to garlic intake. Garlic is not a chelator. It won't yank out mercury deeply stored in organs. It will help your body's natural detoxification pathways. Garlic is amazing stuff.

http://www.herbwisdom.com/herb-garlic.html

The garlic smell doesn't bother me. I don't know why some people make a big deal about it. Perhaps some people are more sensitive to the smell than others? They say that in general on average women tend to have a much better sense of smell than men.

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I have no idea about the specific garlic supplements you mentioned. I have not seen any garlic supplements that come close to fresh raw garlic in term of being antimicrobial and antiparasitic. They are much better than nothing though. Some are quite expensive. Imo the deodorized ones may be on average even less effective than the non deoderized ones. There are still health benefits to deoderized garlic even if they aren't as good at killing parasites or bacteria and fungi. they are still a good source of sulphur. I also like the idea of using msm supplents, but some here feel it may redistribute mercury. Imo msm is a great source of sulphur that is also antiparasitic.

http://www.all-natural.com/msm.html

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JK: I think I'm going to eat another clove. Its really not bad....Do you have any idea how to grow garlic? I'm gonna look into that.

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I have never tried growing garlic. Garlic is easy enough to buy in stores. It is around $3 a pound here for the common variety, and probably less elsewhere in the US for basic garlic. Make sure the garlic you buy looks fresh though and not black or discolored. I keep mine in the fridge at home even though refrigeration is not necessary if you keep it cool and dry and use it within a few weeks. Over 80% of garlic sold in the US was grown in China. US grown garlic costs more, some of it is exotic varieties that are $12 a pound and up.

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I splurged on around a pound of organic garlic for around $4.50 since it looked much fresher than the regular variety I used to buy. I guess a pound of garlic might last me from 2-4 weeks, so paying an extra dollar or two was no big deal.


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