Originally Posted by Bex
The observation of the world around us that leads us to believe that the universe was ultimately brought into existence by a superior intellect/designer, which explains what we observe in life around us.


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"time" "order" "laws" "purpose" "life" "animation" demand a "life giver" "a time giver" "a law giver", as all things result from "something", rather than the accidental results of chance.
There must be a stopping point somewhere at some initial cause, though. You believe that the initial cause was God, others believe it was the universe itself.

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Or an "unthinking" event. In fact, they RELY on a scientific/mathematical unfathomable intellect. Consider the planets, the alignment, the balance, speed/time, etc. Not one element can be off course. It is, in a sense, perfectly orchestrated, run by a perfect conducter! Let me know when order has erupted out of disorder/explosion?
A fusion explosion results in helium from hydrogen. Helium is a gas which doesn't react with other elements easily. It is more ordered than hydrogen.

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Since we know chance doesn't produce anything from nothing, but design with existing material does. How then can we assume in a scenario otherwise, if life has dictated this to us all along?
Because snowflakes exist from the random change in temperature and the random accumulation of water vapor in the air.

If you flip a coin enough times we see a pattern of 50% heads and 50% tails, produced from random/chance. Order from nothing.

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We can observe evidences of design everyday. In fact, it doesn't really require a long complex lecture to make it "sound" plausible and most of this is engaging ones brain and using basic common sense.
That which is "common sense" is not necessarily true. You wouldn't say that someone sacrificing his son for your misdeeds is "common sense", would you?

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Frankly there is so much on here, that I am convinced anybody can search and seek for themselves if they are TRULY interested. It really depends to on what you consider the world around you a result of.....chance or purpose?

Even if we decide that it must be the result of purpose, that does not eliminate evolution and lots of time as candidates for the method by which that purpose was/is to be accomplished.

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There is an abundance of information for either side, so much so, that there really isn't any excuse for anybody to remain "uninformed". You make your choice based on what is presented and whether you feel it's evidence or baloney.
Is belief a choice?

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Because theories and fashions continue to change. But the biblical word remains constant. I truly believe the bible has the answers Pwcca, though one may scoff. That's ok, the bible predicted that too wink
There are documented changes to the Bible since the time of Jesus.
Tom Sawyer, Mien Kampf, and the Bhagavad Gita have remained constant since they were written. Should we also believe that they have the answers?

I'm not knocking the Bible down to the level of Tom Sawyer. However, you are saying that we should trust the Bible because it has not changed. You need to supply a better reason than that for trusting the Bible about science.

Sure, scientific theories change....because knowledge increases. Do you think it shouldn't change? Why?

A faith that connot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets. -- Arthur C. Clarke