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A point some would have us overlook: Forensic investigations, like all investigations, rely heavily on history. How does one determine what type of firearm was used when a bullet is found? One consults the historic records of gun manufacturers. This is true of all evidence. If the history is flawed, the results will be flawed. If the manufacturers lie, or a misprint even takes place (say '3.8 cal.' instead of '.38 cal.) the results can be wrong, can they not?
So if all history is dubious because people lie and make mistakes, all results of all investigations which rely upon history are at least equally dubious.
My position has been mischaracterized severely by some posters. It's common practice to always seek out the most reliable sources first when investigating history. Only in special cases, like when one is trying to obtain bogus results, would one seek out unreliable sources first.
It'll be a short discussion if folks decide to acknowledge my actual position on how to investigate. Discover, verify, reconcile. A simple, simple formula to remember, and one that works.
The supplemental procedures are so natural and habitually practiced that they almost need not be mentioned. For example, one should always judge a person's motives by their actions rather than their words if there is any conflict between the two. You'll do this habitually, without batting an eye - you don't need to be reminded very often, do you?
In fact, it's a red flag any time someone asks you to do otherwise. If someone would have us judge Hitler by his words rather than his actions, FLAG! Alarm! Watch out! You wouldn't think of doing this yourself, and neither would anyone else who wanted the truth. They're pushing antihistory.
Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson
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History rules
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CTD
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04/09/08 09:41 AM
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Re: History rules
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LinearAq
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04/09/08 12:47 PM
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CTD
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04/09/08 06:38 PM
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LinearAq
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04/10/08 06:17 PM
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CTD
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04/10/08 09:41 PM
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LinearAq
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04/11/08 02:46 PM
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CTD
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04/12/08 01:06 AM
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LinearAq
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04/14/08 12:30 PM
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SoSick
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04/14/08 08:03 PM
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LinearAq
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04/14/08 09:40 PM
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Pwcca
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04/14/08 10:06 PM
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Bex
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04/14/08 11:34 PM
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Bex
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04/15/08 12:46 AM
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Bex
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04/15/08 01:40 AM
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CTD
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04/15/08 08:39 AM
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SoSick
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04/15/08 03:37 AM
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SoSick
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04/15/08 04:36 AM
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Bex
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04/15/08 11:14 AM
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CTD
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04/15/08 02:23 PM
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Bex
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04/15/08 09:54 PM
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Bex
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04/16/08 02:29 AM
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LinearAq
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04/30/08 02:50 PM
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LinearAq
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04/28/08 03:35 PM
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CTD
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04/28/08 04:11 PM
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LinearAq
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04/28/08 06:19 PM
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CTD
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04/29/08 05:32 AM
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Pwcca
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04/29/08 06:26 AM
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CTD
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04/29/08 07:27 AM
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LinearAq
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04/29/08 03:39 PM
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CTD
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04/30/08 04:20 AM
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More good news
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CTD
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05/11/08 05:49 PM
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Re: More good news
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SoSick
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05/11/08 06:25 PM
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Bex
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04/30/08 05:03 AM
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LinearAq
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04/30/08 02:30 PM
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Bex
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04/29/08 07:46 AM
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CTD
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04/15/08 07:33 AM
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CTD
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06/29/08 09:51 PM
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CTD
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06/30/08 12:15 AM
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Re: History rules ... no, the question is what is true.
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RAZD
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06/30/08 12:57 AM
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Just a note
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RAZD
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06/30/08 01:31 AM
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CTD
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06/30/08 05:29 AM
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Kitsune
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06/30/08 06:09 AM
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Muddy Waters
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06/30/08 09:09 PM
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06/30/08 10:37 PM
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07/02/08 12:58 PM
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Kitsune
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07/02/08 01:44 PM
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CTD
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07/03/08 08:19 AM
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Kitsune
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CTD
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07/04/08 01:56 AM
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CTD
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Kitsune
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CTD
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LinearAq
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CTD
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Pwcca
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LinearAq
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07/03/08 06:30 PM
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CTD
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07/03/08 09:39 AM
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RAZD
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07/03/08 12:26 AM
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CTD
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07/03/08 06:51 AM
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RAZD
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07/05/08 12:22 AM
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CTD
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07/09/08 10:38 AM
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RAZD
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07/10/08 01:51 AM
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Idols
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Russ
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07/10/08 10:46 PM
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RAZD
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07/10/08 10:52 PM
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CTD
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07/11/08 09:22 AM
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RAZD
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07/13/08 07:11 PM
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CTD
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07/15/08 08:28 AM
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Kitsune
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07/15/08 04:54 PM
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Pwcca
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07/15/08 09:24 PM
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RAZD
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07/15/08 11:30 PM
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Jeanie
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07/16/08 12:46 AM
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a small explanation, perhaps
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RAZD
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07/16/08 03:25 AM
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Re: a small explanation, perhaps
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Jeanie
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07/16/08 03:46 AM
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Pwcca
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07/16/08 11:11 AM
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Jeanie
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07/17/08 11:57 PM
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Re: a small explanation, perhaps
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Jeanie
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07/18/08 12:00 AM
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Re: a small explanation, perhaps
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Kitsune
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07/18/08 07:05 AM
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07/18/08 03:21 PM
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07/18/08 04:14 PM
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Jeanie
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07/18/08 04:45 PM
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Pwcca
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07/18/08 10:16 PM
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Jeanie
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07/19/08 01:06 AM
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Pwcca
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07/18/08 10:05 PM
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Jeanie
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07/19/08 01:01 AM
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RAZD
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07/05/08 02:40 PM
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CTD
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06/30/08 06:32 AM
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Transplant - Pt. 1
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CTD
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08/08/08 10:32 AM
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Transplant - Pt. 2
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CTD
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08/08/08 10:48 AM
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CTD
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08/09/08 04:39 PM
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Re: History rules
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CTD
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08/09/08 07:02 PM
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CTD
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12/03/08 02:50 AM
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Jeanie
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12/07/08 05:14 PM
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Mordecai
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12/14/08 05:50 PM
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CTD
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12/15/08 12:22 AM
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Mordecai
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01/20/09 02:55 PM
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Bex
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01/20/09 11:13 PM
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CTD
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01/21/09 02:24 AM
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CTD
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01/21/09 01:00 PM
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Bex
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03/02/09 09:33 AM
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Kitsune
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03/02/09 05:51 PM
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03/02/09 10:15 PM
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CTD
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Russ
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03/04/09 03:10 PM
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Russ
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03/04/09 03:11 PM
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CTD
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03/05/09 11:47 AM
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Kitsune
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03/05/09 04:01 PM
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Russ
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03/05/09 07:20 PM
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Kitsune
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Russ
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03/06/09 06:53 PM
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Kitsune
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03/06/09 07:23 PM
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Russ
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03/07/09 04:07 PM
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Kitsune
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03/07/09 04:36 PM
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Russ
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03/09/09 10:13 PM
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03/10/09 07:32 AM
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Russ
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03/10/09 01:59 PM
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03/10/09 04:28 PM
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Russ
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03/11/09 05:18 PM
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Kitsune
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03/11/09 06:03 PM
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knowitalls
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03/11/09 06:54 PM
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CTD
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03/12/09 01:45 AM
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This applies....how?
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LinearAq
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03/12/09 12:16 PM
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Re: This applies....how?
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CTD
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03/12/09 03:09 PM
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Not Getting It
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Russ
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03/12/09 03:35 PM
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The antiquity of this Controversy
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CTD
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04/05/09 10:31 AM
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Re: History rules
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CTD
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08/10/10 01:33 AM
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