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Empirical evidence is physical evidence we can study. We can study the rocks in the Grand Canyon. We can study other canyons. We can study many different kinds of rocks over long periods of time and come up with a body of evidence about what can be learned from those rocks. Incorrect. Rocks are evidence. What you conclude from the rocks isn't evidence; it's a conclusion. A body of conclusions is not evidence either. We can develop better and better methods to study those rocks (i.e. raidometric and cosmogenic dating; detailed microscopy).
Almost half of scientists in the US say they are theists, so I'm not sure how you would justify your "secular atheist evolutionist" comment. And in fact, not all of the evolutionists here are atheists either. Why do you insist on labelling people in such a derrogatory, stereotypical way? That some consider 'atheist' a derogatory label is one reason so many atheists "stay in the closet". Dawkins has complained that they need to come out, but few seem to be following his advice. You also seem to be claiming that we can know nothing about the history of the earth or the life on it because we weren't there. I missed that claim. Where does that leave forensic science then? Does that invalidate every investigation of a crime scene, because the police weren't there, or do you think there are sometimes clues left behind that we can study? We do have a thread about investigating history. Will I need to transplant this as well? If you're not careful, people might start to think you're complaining so much about what is acceptable scientific evidence for creationism, because you can't find any. Those who've looked won't fall for that one. They've seen how abundant and inescapable the evidence is.
Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson
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