Originally Posted by Jeanie
CTD, thanks for sticking up for me??? Honestly I don't care.... I know I'm not qualified as far as having much deep scientific knowledge. And I'm not a real teacher!
Those are secondary criteria. You could have a PhD and years of experience teaching advanced college classes, but if you believe God or any other intelligent agent was directly involved in origins, or if you are merely unwilling to rule it out, you're disqualified.

They say "there's no conflict between belief in God and evolution." They do "yes, there most certainly is!"

What they'll generally accept: a god who didn't do anything, or a god who's just an imaginary symbol one uses to keep oneself content.
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Subs don't teach normally - we go in and fill in - (kind of a no brainer except in some subject areas....at least not here) unless you do long term subbing and ARE qualified in the field in high school, at least. They will only let you do long term subbing if you have an Assoc. or above, but if the teacher will be out for an extended period, they will still direct what is taught each day as far as content, etc. Hopefully in those cases the sub is capable and wouldn't be used if not. I've only done long term subbing on a limited degree cause I usually only want to work part time. If I definitely decide to go into it I will be a special ed teacher anyway.

That doesn't mean I take their "evidences" at their word, either, though. It could all be a bunch of fabricated lies for all I know. I don't know! I haven't studied it out. But in general it is something I have questioned and I have gotten my answers. My faith, as well, fills in all the holes I need in order for it to make sense to me not only spiritually but physically (or temporally....in the flesh, however you want to put it). I most definitely believe in the creation. It doesn't have to add up every jot and tittle to me. I think our Father in Heaven, who is a GOD, knew what he was doing so I'll take Him at His word and figure it from there. I think, personally, that all the details can muck up your mind as far as this debate, at least. It really is all derived or interpreted and someone's personal beliefs or misconceptions can sway the interpretation. Some here are saying evolutionists lie - some say creationists lie. My mind is muddled in my ability to comprehend as much at this point due to meds I'm on and the mercury. But I have good instincts and really just care about people. Really I'm just repeating myself on here a lot at this point.... Its likely time I find better things to do with my time cause I'm starting back to work tomorrow. I may delve into some evidence more deeply at some point over time...but I don't feel the need to figure it out other than to make sense of the points that have bothered me. I kind of get a kick out of the arguing on here and it is an interesting subject matter. But you are correct. I'm not qualified to give a studied, educated debate other than from a spiritual perspective and no one is real open to that - even the creationists on here are likely closed to my viewpoint due to my being LDS (Mormon). I have written in on those areas and no one says a word... But no one is knocking faith here at least. I appreciate that. I understand how LindaLou sees it but I see it differently. We don't agree. It doesn't mean I don't like her.

At least I'm not being (inaccurately) bashed as a Mormon here as SoSick was so happy to do...
Mormons currently get somewhat of a "free pass" from me.

As the establishment is campaigning for free reign to violate any and all rights of persons just because they're Mormons, I feel it would be best to let them focus all their efforts on that issue. I fully support the (actual) civil rights of all individuals, and oppose transparent attempts to divide and conquer free people.

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I don't like bashing period. I think people should all be given a fair shake and listened to. Someday if anyone is interested I'll post some things leaders of our church have said about the creation. I kind of feel like I've developed a trust in the people here overall. I've enjoyed the discussions. The perspectives... I've learned a lot, too. I will look further into the claimed evidences....but compare them to inspired revelation and use the spirit (as well as logic) to determine for myself what I believe. It may sound like I take what leaders of my church say at their word...but I've proven my faith in this gospel for over 32 years now. My faith is deeply rooted... I've said it before, but I will build my beliefs on spiritual principals and not vice versa.
Don't know what you'd call bashing. I certainly disagree on more than one point, but I'm also confident more than one "Mormon" Christain will be present when the roll is called.
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And now for the important things. What to wear??? : )
I suggest a smile, if you can manage it.

I do hope you'll find time to review some of the threads. A lot of effort went into some of those posts, and there's a lot of discussion that's intentionally geared to avoid going over anyone's head.

Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth

"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case
http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm

"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson

"And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson