still avoiding the real issue, ikester?

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Question: Do you still think the insulting tactics of RADZ are okay? Yes? Well then it won't stop because that's what you like to do.
Yes, using objective evidence of reality and logical arguments based on that evidence is so hateful.

The fact remains: the Grand Canyon location is through a high point on the ridge, so if the ridge was as it is today when the water started to cut the canyon (Hovind's argument), then it had to run uphill to do so. Or Hovind's argument that the ridge was the same in the past as it is today is false. Either way the argument is falsified by the simple, objective, anyone can see it, evidence: the presentation of that evidence has nothing to do with the facts falsifying the concept.

This is a fact, facts cannot be "hateful" or "insulting" - they just are - nor can presenting facts as they are be "hateful" or "insulting" unless you think the truth is "hateful" or "insulting" ... reality is not kind, or evil, it just is what it is.

Enjoy.