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You don't think the title of this very thread is provoking enough? Can we get back to discussing what, exactly? That evolutionists are evil-doers and that their motives for coming to this forum (a forum devoted to both sides of the debate) are suspicious? I'm replying to something that has been said. While that may seem provoking to you, it is I who have been provoked by the original post itself, not the other way around. I realize that this isn't a statement you, personally, are making but when you ask if we can get back to the subject at hand (in this thread) ... well ... that is the subject at hand. I'd be only too happy to discuss something more concrete and mature in another thread but I have no intention to back down when hostile statements (again, not by you personally) have been made.


Turning it around, I too would respond to a thread aimed at Creationists and asking them "why are you here"? and stand up for my right to be here and debate (since the forum asks what we both think). But Pwcca, just remember something, I have not started any thread with the titles you mention..... nor have I said "evolutionists are evil doers" and I wonder why you felt the need to jump on my post on this thread that had NOTHING to do with either, wasn't even directed at you, was directed at a quote by another poster and my statements reasonable, coming from my own belief.

Can you explain to me where on this thread have I warranted you having a pot shot at me from my post? It is on page 4, post number #38820, lower than half way down. Now admittedly, my tendency towards getting emotional/angry exists, I do have a very intense side. But that post? I'm bewildered....I thought it was reasonable coming from my personal belief and not overly emotional at all. So your response to it was a bit confusing and started something totally unnecessary. Perhaps you ought to direct such posts where they are deserved? Rather than bring up the past to renew arguments? I can understand doing that if someone has once again used provocative language etc and needs 'reminding', but come on, my post on here was fine.

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Fair enough. I won't contest against that statement. This does, however, insinutate of your own volition that you agree posters CTD, SoSick and ikester do much to stir problems and are full of bias in their posts too. Could I ask that you make the same request of them?


I don't have an issue if you wish to respond to provocations and unpleasant statements that you feel is unfair. However, when I see a bunch of evolutionists ganging up, or making false accusations, putting words in our mouths, that REALLY ticks me off. I'm well expecting arguments and provocations, but the other stuff is done frequently and at times, it deserves some kind of retaliation.

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On the contrary. Part of the reason I don't bother to post a great deal about evolution like LindaLou and RAZD do so skillfully is because it's very difficult for me to even begin a debate when my opponents in a discussion routinely employ ad hominem, red herring, quote mining and all the other tactics which other posters have observed time and time again. This is the only forum where I've come across such posting styles. I post regularly in another, completely unrelated forum, and have been a member there for literally 10+ years. I find it engaging when someone is on the other side of the debate from me. Often times they make intriguing observations that I hadn't thought of. The tone there is neither argumentative nor hateful. Instead it's more of a "Dude, check this out, for real. Things aren't quite how you're interpreting them. Let me explain further" type of approach.


See, here again. What you consider bad posting techniques, I feel was legitamate, when the "quotes" have the sources given and I've already pointed out, that if they were slanderous (or attempting to be), the person in question can be in a great deal of trouble, considering name, source, everything is given. Sorry, but quote mining is not a dishonest practise, when done properly and sources are given. Red herrings and ad homin, etc etc, you guys continually accuse of the very things creationists feel evolutionists are doing. Same old thing Pwcca, your excuses of not really contributing to the forum with much material don't really add up, considering each side has done their best to post what they feel is evidence. Admittedly, it does often revert to petty fights, but not much material is also on this forum for people to read and view and make up their own minds. Not that anybody is OBLIGATED to post material, they can read. But the fact is, if you feel it's really so bad and our side is just producing nothing, then nobody is forcing you to remain on here. Why do yourself the disserve of staying if that's the case? Surely there must be some reason you like to read....I can't imagine you just stay on here to enjoy the fights? It's been a long time now, if you use the excuse of "i'm just waiting for creationists to post evidence" this is just downright dishonest. You can find much material in many previous posts that you can observe and make your own mind up. If you continue to claim nothing has been presented, then I hardly see why you'd waste your time staying.

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See my original remark regarding the very name of this thread. Again, I ask you to consider how you would feel if you saw a post entitled "Christianity: What a Joke!"


Yes, you mentioned that in the past more than once I recall. Not much I can do about that Pwcca, I didn't make the thread, nor am I the owner of this forum....pehraps you could instead direct your offense in the right direction? I have already said to you before "yes I would find that offensive" and you thanked me for being honest.....now you're at it again. But what does this have to do with my post on here, which you aimed at? This is what started this with me, the fact you unfairly criticised a reasonable post to start and renew older arguments.....where in that post did I provoke this?

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Bex, I'm wondering actually if it irritates you when there is just not enough fighting?

Are you certain you're not practicing what is known in the psychology world as projection here?


No, I find it gut wrenching to be honest and often I get on this forum with my heart racing. It makes me sick. I have tried recently to keep from hitting back and keep posts as reasonable as possible, but this has not been easy and at times I bite my tongue. But, I still have the right to share what I believe.. You now trying to turn as though it's "projection" makes no sense, when you started this with my original post on this thread for reasons I cannot understand....that is the point here. WHY DID YOU ANSWER MY POST IN THE MANNER YOU DID WITH NO PROVOCATION?