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Experience of the divine is more important than any words or belief in your origin. Words are an ok substitute until you get real experience of the holy father, but words can only inform and make you form beliefs when experience will transform you and make you know the truth, not just believe in it. This is the different between a saint and a preacher, and I will only trust in saints who I believe have had a lot of direct contact with the lord and not just book learning. Believing in evolution has never blocked god from reaching me which is why I don't participate in the whole evolution/creation debate much as that is not the important issue. You are very fortunate that evolution has never blocked God from reaching you and that's wonderful. However, don't be deceived in assuming this is the case for all others, because it is evidentally not the case. Many have had their faith eroded over time due to evolution. Some may not succumb, others more vulnerable often do. I would not consider belief in origins unimportant....Consider this quote carefully - Psalm 11:3 "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do"? If the foundations are rocky (unstable) - put in doubt, or in conflict with another- it can impact it to such an extent, that the rest of it can eventually topple down. The reason for our hope, is in the word of God (the Good News of salvation), which connects and follows on from what happened in the beginning. Grass roots Christianity. The one that doesn't simply rely on one being "swept away by "feel good" spiritual feelings", but rather grounded in the word, truth, which which the Holy Spirit Himself inspired and what our beliefs rest upon. One cannot build castles upon sand and expect them to remain standing. Now, if we cannot really trust the things proposed in the beginning, pointed out clearly, directly in plain language....(that the rest of the word stands upon) what then do we rest our faith upon? Luke 16:31 "And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead Jesus Himself has through scripture, referred to the old testament truths and confirmed them (re-affirmed). He knew the necessity of one supporting/affirming the other. ‘The just shall live by faith.’ For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because the thing which may be known of God is clearly revealed within them, for God revealed it to them. For the unseen things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being realized by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, for them to be without excuse. Because, knowing God, they did not glorify Him as God, neither were thankful. But they became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man…Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness…For they changed the truth of God into a lie…they did not think fit to have God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind” (Romans 1:16-28). Here too we see in 1 Timothy (ch. VI, v. 20-21) "O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called; Which some professing have erred concerning faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.) As Ikester has listed, the beliefs of Evolution and Creation are polar opposites. I have also listed the same somewhere in a previous post. The same argument frequently comes up "evolution can be reconciled with creation". This is not even honest, let alone plausible. Either one must make a liar out of God, or a liar out of man with this belief. Consider that God created all things in the beginning, GOOD. Our world, according to God, did not arise out of many years of death/suffering and evolution. Rather it began as He intended (perfect). Free from the effects of sin, death did not exist. What kind of God would create the world from the getgo with death and suffering, if nobody had yet exercised their free will? It was DISOBEDIENCE, that brought the curse. And the disobedience came from two people who had FULL knowledge of right and wrong. Degenerates they were not. Nor were they half evolved creatures, with half evolved knowledge. They were perfect in form and intellect, made in the image of God. These were the first two people God Himself created and God being perfect and unlimited, hardly needed a rough copy! or a drawing board to sit around and wait for it all to evolve over millions of years of death and suffering, since He Himself tells us all things were created good. Rather, it is original sin that has set the path for degeneration as time has gone on. Ageing, sickness/suffering, death, survival of the "fittest" are the result, NOT the starting point. That's if one believes in God at all and His word. It makes perfect sense, since it lines up for Christ's reason for coming and dying on a cross, reconciling us with the Father. What our two first parents did, has been remedied by Christ, and the invitation to each and every human being is there and available for all (without exception).
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