No no Bex, you've never said those things, and I wasn't claiming that you had.

I know there was one point in time when I was less than courteous about Hovind, and since then I've tried to avoid making those kinds of comments about creationist leaders, no matter how tempting. I would not talk that way directly to anyone on the forum, ever.

If I say something that upsets you, Bex, or if you think I'm being unfair to someone, please let me know, and be specific about your reasons for this. Maybe we should stop escalating the vague comments about arrogant attitudes etc -- anyone who disagrees with one's point of view and backs their own views up with evidence can seem arrogant. It may seem arrogant to a creationist that I came to this thread and addressed comments that Lynn made. Which is why I asked about what people here would do if I were misrepresenting creationism to my heart's content and then complaining that I'd been unfairly treated if a creationist had tried to tell me so.

At any rate, I don't feel we're getting far with this discussion. If anyone else wants to talk here about relevant issues, OK, otherwise . . . this is a Bible thread, so by all means, talk about the Bible and you can rest assured I won't be hanging about.