Originally Posted by CTD
The video explained simply and quickly that there were two dammed lakes, and the destruction of these dams resulted in rapid erosion.

I had viewed the video previously and it seemed rather implausible just on its face.
First Hovind says that the two lakes (left behind after the Flood?) were behind the Kaibab uplift and a breach in the uplift (dam) caused rapid erosion of the Grand Canyon. However, the Kaibab uplift is 4000 ft high and 270 MILES thick. So, what caused a breach in something that tall and thick? Typically, a dam is only a few meters thick at best and the force against the sides of a rift will be concentrated by that relatively thin cross-section. The "dam" in Hovind's theory is 270 miles thick...there would not be the same concentration of force against the sides of the rift.

Secondly, the Kaibab uplift is not made of just dirt like a farmer's dam would be. It contains hard stone from volcanic activity and deposits that have been hardened from extreme pressure that could not occur due simply being dumped there from a flood. Besides it is called an uplift for a reason...a cross-sectional view of it shows signs of the entire ridge having been pushed up from below. This hard substance is not rapidly worn away by water in the same way that a dirt dam would be.

RAZD already addressed that fact that the downstream portions of the canyon don't show the telltale signs of having been rapidly eroded. This is confirmed by real geologists who have studied the forensics of catastrophic events.

Additionally, if all that rock was washed away by a catastrophic breaching of the Kaibab uplift, where is it? Shouldn't there be a massive pile of mud, rock, and dead animal's fossils piled high in the Gulf of California? Shouldn't this huge amount of dirt moved rapidly down the river course and suddenly slowed down by reaching the Gulf, just create a gigantic deposit at the river's mouth? Where is it?

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I don't think anyone has attention span issues severe enough to confuse flood waters with waters released subsequently due to bursting dams, but you're welcome to prove me wrong.
No one said that you were saying the Flood directly caused the Grand Canyon. Hovind says the lakes were left over Flood waters from drainage of the Northwestern state areas (See, I actually have viewed more of Hovind's videos than you might think.) So, indirectly, your creationist theory for rapid carving of the Grand Canyon does say that it was caused by the Flood.

BTW...thanks for the insult. At least we can be assured that Pwcca's legs are safe from the razor.

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I am just a little curious where you're going to weigh it on the competing evostories. The perpetually rising spot may need to pick up the pace if it's going to meet the new schedule.
The Kaibab uplift is still rising...can you show me evidence that it is not?

Last edited by LinearAq; 07/22/08 07:54 AM.

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