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First off, let me say that I don't have yeast symptoms unless I move a lot of mercury...like a day after very strenuous exercise.

I have been still drinking mainly raw milk and nothing else...and yesterday I tried bromelain and got nearly instant loose burning stools. Bromelain is known to kill some parasites.

Today I tried a now foods fresh 'green' black walnut, wormwood complex and 10 minutes later had liquid stools.

It seems anything that kills yeast and parasites gives me liquid stools (sometimes very 'hot')...this includes even things like coconut oil. I can't stand having to go to the bathroom often so I avoid stuff like this.

When I don't attack the yeast/parasites my digestive system is fine and my bowels are very normal and solid, and I normally go 1-2 times a day.

So what do you guys think I should do? I am considering just doing one really good dose a day of this anti-parasite tincture I have (fresh black walnut, wormwood, cloves) so I can just flush it out, because I just don't like to spread it out and have to run to the bathroom so many times as I live on a ranch and the bathroom can be quite a walk from some parts.

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Black walnut will kill yeasts for sure, butb the loose stools are normal for your first go round with black walnut hull or if you haven't used it in a while. clears out your kidneys, you should feel real good after that too.

when you kill yeasts you also kill good bacteria and that may be the bigger issue. make some kefir with all that egads of raw milk and that should cure the problem I wish you could send me some.

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I used to think that it was killing the yeast that gave me loose stools as I thought the yeast absorbed mercury and then if I killed them the body would just flush it out asap...but I wasn't aware that bromelain could kill yeast but after a little googling it appears that it can kill yeast or at least stimulate the body to kill yeast.

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15. Bromelain is an accelerator of phagocytosis, respiratory burst and Killing of Candida albicans by human granulocytes and monocytes.
Brakebusch M, Wintergerst U, Petropoulou T, Notheis G, Husfeld L, Belohradsky BH, Adam D.
Eur J Med Res. 2001 May 29;6(5):193-200. PMID: 11410400

OBJECTIVE: The aim of this study was to examine the influence of immuno modulating agents like bromelain and trypsin (e.g. Wobenzym on granulocyte and monocyte functions in healthy volunteers and patients with disorders of the humoral immuno system X-linked agammaglobulinaemia (XLA) and common variable immuno deficiency (CVID) and to find out whether the unspecific immunity could be improved by these enzymes. METHODS: In a whole-blood assay kinetics of phagocytosis, respiratory burst and killing (PBK) were measured in blood samples incubated with and without bromelain and trypsin (B/T) using Candida albicans as target organism. The time-reaction curves were analysed determining their gradient (T1) and their onset (T2) as well as the half effect time (HET). RESULTS: Phagocytes from patients with XLA showed a significantly accelerated basal phagocytosis (reduction of HET by 24% p < 0.001) compared to healthy controls. After incubation with B/T (10 microg/ml each) speed of phagocytosis was nearly doubled (phagocyte activity p < 0.0001, Candida uptake p < 0.003), T2 of respiratory burst was reduced by 65 % (p < 0.0001) and killing was accelerated by 27% (p < 0.046). However, the maximal activities of all kinetics were not altered. Incubation of phagocytes from healthy controls with B/T accelerated phagocytosis to a level comparable to that of untreated phagocytes from patients with XLA and also accelerated reactive oxygen species (ROS) production (reduction of HET by 28%, p < 0.012). In contrast to phagocytes from patients with XLA, phagocytes of patients with CVID showed a similar stimulation by B/T like healthy controls. Further experiments with the single substances showed that bromelain was the active compound. CONCLUSION: Our data suggest, that bromelain possesses immuno stimulatory properties. Phagocytes of XLA patients appear to be particularly susceptible to this stimulation.


Sometimes I just wonder if Killing the yeast is the right thing to do if they are not causing a problem. I believe they are necessary to absorb mercury in the intestines and if they are not over colonizing why kill them when I should just be pooping them out, including the mercury they sop up?

The reason why I say this is I felt a lot better when I started doing the milk fast and stopped eating things that kill yeast like coconut oil.

I'm feeling a little strange now but its the peak of summer here in Southern California and I've been sweating a lot, but still feeling way way better than I did last summer...when I was having a problem with feeling too hot and getting hot loose stools way too often.

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Are you sure you aren't taking too much of the black walnut/wormwood/clove extract? Black walnut extract is a mild laxative, however in normal dosages it shouldn't cause severe diahrea. Diahrea is not good, especially in the hot weather, as it causes mineral loss. Are you sure there aren't any stronger laxative herbs in the formula?

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That really is quite normal for black walnut hull on the first go. It will settle down. You probably have parasites of some sort, quite a bit larger than candida. Most people do gd, and they can and will cause diarrhea if you start taking something like black walnut hull tincture. But it should settle down by tomorrow/ I usually only get one or two spates of loose stools when starting a course of walnut hull, then gone completely. Betch tomorrow you go like a hog even. It does that, really clears out your kidneys real well. You should feel really good after that gd, a lot of toxins will come out with it. and... the first time I ever did the walnut, I saw lots of worms come out within the next couple weeks. It's good stuff, it does all sorts of good things for you, I'd stick with it.

I really don't think you should be obsessed with killing yeasts, no, only if they are causing issues, if they are really abundant. they can cause allergies and stuff, make you hypersensitive.

But some kefir and your raw milk should keep things balanced I would think. Gosh you can even make yogurt!

bromelain.. no wonder I like eatin pineapple so much. I never thought of it as a yeast killer but parasites do hate it so I guess... makes your stomach digest things better, including parasites and their larvae. Fresh pineapple real good for you, eating a lot will also give you the runs. Papaya another example but it has never given me diarrhea.

Yeah the sweating.. I wonder if that was what made me really feel like dirt last week and the week prior... I was going out tio the garden, working up a major sweat, coming in, showering, changing clothes and heading staright back out to do it again. I did a couple times, maybe 3 tomes adya for a few days in a row and the egads did I feel like a ton of bricks hit me. I stayed in the house fopr the most part the past 10 days. except to go sit in the cold cold river and maybe pick wild blackberries early in the cool morn. I am much better. My back teeeeth still aaache a bit. Do your goats use pliers?

I am at this very moment bottling my very last batch of blackberry jam. 4 pints, 3 half pints... some blackberries with syrup in there for ice cream,, the pantry is full of blackberry jam kids... I will be putting sign up that says 'Keep out, that's mine!'


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You might want to pick up a couple papyas even and eat a little bit everyday, and a small handful of the seeds while you do the walnut. that should totally debilitate and even kill a tapeworm. tapeworms can cause nasty diarrhea. and pumpkin seeds will help get rid of a tapewprm too. They burn like heck coming out don't worry about it you'll feel it moving along if that's what is and then voila in the loo.

i don't want to discuss it further. but believe me seeing is believing.

some clove oil added to that will make a complete parasit cleanse. several drops of that throughout the day for a month, all then those items together also.

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JK98, I took 1/2 a dose of the extract.

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=591&at=0

That is a link to the extract. Only 3 ingredients.

I don't think I took too much, but like I said it seems that anything that is anti-yeast or anti-parasitic will give me the runs and its real obvious because it happens like 10 minutes after I take it. I don't like the idea of diarrhea as I know it depletes minerals and electrolytes and especially not good in the summer.

Well I think I'm going to keep trying the black walnut/wormwood/clove tincture for now, maybe once or twice a day when I know I can run to the bathroom right after taking it...but I hope that reaction subsides shortly.

SoSick, I'll think about the papaya but the bromelain is more concentrated and from what I read it can do quite a number on tapeworms...literally eating them alive.

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as long as you are sure the bromelain is as effective as pineapple or payaya, go for it. It will burn as it moves out, if you feel a real real bad burning sensation, almost make you think you are going to get an ulcer, keep going with it don't get scared off or you may end up with an ulcer from it living in there someday. never felt a burning sensation in my stomach like that in my life. I do need to do it one more time I am just waiting a bit, several more weeks... eating varous things in the meantime like papaya seeds..

I used pineapple with humaworm, I was out of black walnut hull tincture when I saw the old shoelace. never expected that one.

you might want to keep a flashlight in the loo to keep an eye out for strange evictions. kind of difficult to see stuff without some help, the loo can be dark and dreary.

I think they design them that way on purpose.

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I got burning sensations from the bromelain but not in my stomach. It was only burning right as the stools were exiting my body, like the same I would get from eating a lot of cayenne but I obviously am not eating that while on a milk fast.

The bromelain is definitely very very effective, much more so than pineapple itself. If you have ever eaten a very good pineapple and got an itchy burning on your lips afterwards thats from the bromelain, but most conventional pineapples have only trace amounts...organic pineapples have much more. One organic pineapple I had made my lips, face, and hands burn very much afterward from being so powerful...though it apparently doesn't irritate your digestive tract.

Thanks for the suggestions by the way.

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Yes indeed, it surely was an organic pineapple I was eating when I got the burning and then saw the goods. bads really, but anyway...

Jesus must have known my needs because I have never once nor never since seen organic pineapples at the grocer. and by golly they were even on sale! I think I got 2 for the lovely price of $4.00. $5.00 at most.

Burning at that end is a sure sign of a large pretty parasite gd. you will feel that burning real bad as it actually comes out.

keep at it.

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i just noticed that Wormwood is also listed as a mild laxative.

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Good news, this morning, before eating anything (or drinking I should say) I took a full dose of the black walnut/wormwood/clove along with some bromelain and did have to go to the bathroom but it wasn't liquid... So I tried another full dose again 2 hours later and went to the bathroom again but this time again it wasn't liquid which is great! I think I may keep up this schedule for a week and see what comes out...didn't notice much out of the ordinary so far.




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Well so you know it's doing the job then huh?

If you ever start a course of black walnut hull and don't get loose stools or major bm's the first day or two you have a bad batch of walnut hull.

I'd add a couple handfuls of pumpkin seeds per day to that mix gd. Sounds like you got some critters in there. Pumpkin seeds are very effective and sort of the last blow to larger critters when used with exactly the combo you are using. Shelled raw or unshelled cooked doesn't really matter. Pretty tasty too.

You might get light stomach cramps within a few days, it's not the tincture or bromelain causing that, that is what it feels like when critters die, then the burning sensation as they are moved out. Just keep at it. 3-4 weeks.

Milk in general soothes the stomach so that might actually be counterproductive in your case. Maybe drink more water instead the next few weeks, eat some veggies for the fiber.

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You should do the parasite cleanse for at least a month, as some parasites lay eggs which might take a few weeks until they are totally eradicated. if you can't tolerate taking the wormwood/black walnut/cloves for a month or more, then you could try taking black walnut green hull extract and clove oil, or just clove oil if you can't tolerate the black walnut for so long. Clove oil is said to be active against many parasites and parasite eggs. If you do have parasites, you might not see any, as most parasites are microscopic, or very difficult to notice.

you are taking this just 2 hours between doses? it is supposed to be taken just 2-3 times a day. If you take it too frequently, it is likely enough that you will get diarrhea again.

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Yeah the wormwood might get to you after a couple weeks.

But the black walnut hull alone, and some clove amybe, will make you feels super you won't want to stop taking it.

But you do have to stop at some point. 6-7 weeks was my max for black walnut hull in one go, but I didn't take it everyday, I make a very strong tincture and use it every other day, does the trick like that too but you have to have a real strong batch.

I love black walnut hull. I think it is high time to make some.

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Thanks for the tips, I know I should only take it 2-3 times a day but I sometimes like to find my limits so I know to avoid them if that makes sense. Its been working for me so far. I think I will try a full dose 2-3 times a day now that I'm not getting diarrhea.

I'll try just black walnut and cloves after I finish this bottle of the complex...I know wormwood is no good long term. If I can get around to it I will make my own black walnut tincture as there is a grove 1/2 mile down the road.

I'm hoping this will clear up my chemical sensitivity issues. I usually don't notice them but thats because I pretty much live outside and rarely ever come into contact with aerosols and whatnot. I also have allergies to dogs/cats that I really wish would go away. But progress is progress and I am grateful to be happy to be alive and getting better...and boy do I feel great today!

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With black walnut, they say only the green hulls are effective. You can search the net for how to prepare it. The chemical sensitivities are probably due to the candida and the acetylaldehyde it produces. Here is link to an article about detoxifying acytlaldehyde.

http://intelegen.com/nutrients/prevent_the_damaging_effects_of_.htm




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I am surprised the article doesn't mention molybdenum. Molybdenum is also important for detoxifying actylaldehyde.
taking 500 mcg or 1 mg a day of molybdenum would be a good idea.

http://www.anyvitamins.com/molybdenum-info.htm

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http://candidapage.com/aldehyde.shtml

http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/candida-and-gut-dysbiosis-articles/the-candida%10aldehyde-detox-pathway-and-the-molybdenum-connection/


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