Yes, CTD, creationists have all kinds of evidence that they misrepresent.

your link http://creationsafaris.com/crev0702.htm is typical.

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On the western end, a series of volcanic lava flows dammed the canyon several times, forming lakes that filled quickly and broke catastrophically, “almost instantaneously.” Using the cosmogenic radionuclide method, they dated one of the lava flows at only 1300 years old.
Which can only happen once the canyon has already formed, and later volcanic activity causes the lava flow. You will note that they mention "several times," not once, and you will also note that none of these flows were high enough to fill the canyon.

Dating of the lava does not mean that the canyon is only 1300 years old, just the lava. The rocks in the canyon still date substantially older.

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The article states, “USGS scientist and University of Arizona graduate Jim O’Connor, along with UA hydrologist Victor Baker and others, also has found evidence of a 400,000 cfs [cubic feet per second] flow that occurred about 4,000 years ago. The only flow that is comparable to Pleistocene flows would be if Glen Canyon Dam failed.” Some flow estimates go higher than a million cubic feet per second.
Compare this to the flood flow from the scablands:
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Floods 250-300 meters deep moving 15-25 meters per second or more carve broad scablands tracts with deep inner channels.
Let's see, 275 meters (average) x 20 meters per second (average) x 1 meter slice = 5500 cubic meters per second per meter width = 5500x3.28x3.28x3.28 = 194,081.536 cubic feet per second, and to get to 1 million cubic feet per second we need 1,000,000/194,081.536 = 5.15 meters width to the flow.

The canyon cut by this water flow is a bit more than 5 meters wide.

Simple math shows the largest recorded flows in the Grand Canyon are much less than flood flows recorded in other places, and all these flows, whether in the Grand Canyon or elsewhere, occurred in multiple instances and at different times in the geological past.

In other words the flows in Grand Canyon, while large, are not large enough to be due to biblical flood flows. They are however, large enough to erode the land faster than it has, has been and is rising. Sufficient to account for the canyon being cut through a - now - high point, one of those issues that the biblical flood cut concept fails to explain.

Try again?

Enjoy.

Last edited by RAZD; 07/19/08 09:42 AM. Reason: englisss