Originally Posted by RAZD
Hi CTD

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Bacteria and other single-celled lifeforms have mechanisms which shuffle their DNA when they reproduce, so that they are not all identical.


The name of the process is mutation. Genes mutate during reproduction because the reproduction is imperfect, and thus does not result in perfect copies, clones, of the parent organism.
The name of the process is Recombination. Errors in recombination are mutations. But the evomachine attempts to claim all recombination is 'mutation'. Why? Because (by very impressive design) recombination improves fitness. Their favorite way to claim 'beneficial mutation' occurs is to distort things. Beneficial recombination certainly occurs, but this IS NOT MUTATION.

I have elsewhere provided a handful of links about recombination, and those who know what it is will be immunized against your deception.

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This is the same process that occurs in reproduction of multicellular organisms.

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The same word is used, but there are some pretty important differences.

The cells which make up a body try to make perfect duplicates as replacements, unless some adaptive mechanism is directing them to do otherwise.
They are perfect except where they are not perfect: a curious circular and meaningless answer, but irrelevant because it too is wrong. Cells don't "try" to do anything in the usual sense of "try" - what they do is live reproduce and die like bacterial cells.
They are alive. They try to do many things. The word is appropriate and accurate.

That you should dispute whether life 'tries' to do things just shows your dedication a sad, meaningless philosophy.

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They reproduce by mitosis, the same process used for bacterial cells reproduction. Cells that make up the body are not perfect duplicates, they are just as susceptible to reproduction mutations as bacterial cells.
The same word is used for both processes, but they are only superficially the same. There is generally no mechanism in the cells of a body which shuffles genetic information in order to ensure variety.

An exception is the white blood cells. When needed, they shuffle like mad to try to find a better set-up to fight disease. And the reason immunization works, is because information is stored on every past disease they have ever had to fight. I don't know exactly how many details have been discovered recently about the ingenious workings of the immune system, but everything I do know is just amazing.

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The same word is used because the process is identical.
Why don't you get some education? Or integrity, whichever you're lacking.

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Doesn't sound like a "colony of cells" to me. More like an integrated, well-planned structure.
Which is just another way to describe a colony of cells.
What's so integrated about the typical group of single-celled creatures? What planned structures do they form? As I mentioned in
( http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=36819#Post36819)
there is an exception which has been discovered. The remarkable thing about slime molds is that they are an exception. Their behaviour isn't seen in other single-celled life. God has shown that He can teach even the humblest life forms to do amazing things.

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A well verified, but seldom stated result of the shuffling of the bacteria's genetic material is that a small percentage of bacteria always have been and always will be resistant to antibiotics.
Yes, that is the benefit of have several variations due to neutral mutations within populations that accumulate over time. The process whereby most of the population dies and only those that are resistant survive is called natural selection: they pass on their antibiotic resistant genes to their offspring, something the dead bacteria are not capable of doing, eh?

Thanks for giving us a good example of evolution in action.
Thanks for demonstrating how evolutinism must distort the truth. Resistance is a design feature. A simple way to figure out if something is the result of random mutation or designed recombination is to see if it regularly repeats. By definition, random mutation doesn't do this. But since resistance is the result of recombination, it will always turn up. The same "experiments" get the same results. It couldn't get much more Mendelian, or much less Darwinian.

(See my "Most Arrogant Lie" thread if you've been conned into thinking the two aren't antithetical.)

I would also caution anyone that the known differences between single-celled life and multiple-celled life are not mentioned 99% of the time when evolutionists are propagandizing. Any ignorance about the distinctions will always be exploited. When one knows which is which, these deceptions are... it would be an understatement to say "easy to spot". They jump right up in your face waving flags and sounding sirens.

This is one place I would have to draw the line when it comes to giving the benefit of the doubt. Anyone who knows about recombination, really knows what it means - they just have to be a liar to believe in evolutionism; that's my opinion. There's no way I can attribute it to ignorance, and one cannot reconcile two such antithetical things. It seems to me that the one which has actually been observed must be the one that exists in reality.

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