Originally Posted by RAZD
Yes CTD, we disagree.

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So history isn't what has happened? We disagree.


History is not what happened, it is the the record of what happened, the understanding, the explanatory story, of what happened. The better that record\understanding is, the closer to explaining what really happened it is.

The evidence of what happened is not history either, but the objective evidence of reality, the reality that includes past events and the effects of them.

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We obtain knowledge about history by discovery, verification, and reconciliation. It's so simple!
We obtain knowledge about what happened in the past by testing different historical theories against the facts, the objective evidence of reality. Those theories that aren't capable of explaining the facts, or that are contradicted by the facts are discarded.
Earlier you argued that there could not be more than one worthwhile hypothesis about historic events.

You fail to make sense. You're just saying anything that comes to mind for the sake of appearance.

And until you sort out what facts actually are, we can't have any profitable discussion anyhow. So spew some more nonsense & I'll see if any of it is mockworthy.
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Well, as you cannot explain what your clam has to do with anything at all, I won't venture to guess just now.
The layers and layers and layers of sedimentary rock with fossils of clams 10 20 and 30 years old, and part of a mature marine environment are fossil records of underwater life for hundreds of years. Thus they are not evidence of any hypothesized event whose duration is measured in days. Thus the flood hypothesis, simply put, does not in any way explain their presence on mountains. It fails.
You have it so backwards. The high altitude fossils of sea creatures have been used to demonstrate the truth of the flood for ages. Just by saying they "prove it false" you think this will come to pass? Sounds a lot like Hitler's Big Lie theory.

You have not show any difficulties whatsoever in reconciling a clam with the history you choose to reject, 20 years old or 100. If this is one of the many, many clams fossilized with a closed shell, it is powerful evidence indeed that the flood took place as recorded.

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The theory of plate tectonics, however, does explain their presence on mountains, just as it explains the presence of mountains in the first place. We can even measure the amount of rise currently occurring on mountains, and see if that rate is consistent with forcing sea bed sediments up into mountains.
All contemporary flood models feature plate tectonics. Guess this shows just how little you pay attention to anything creationists actually say. You've been arguing about this now for how many years? Just how effective do you expect to be if you never pay any attention?

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The conclusion of geologists is that modern rates of uplift are more than sufficient to explain, not only the mountains that exist now, but the ones that have worn away.
Another error. Calculations show erosion to outpace uplift, and it's not a close race. It's just one more problem for the "old earth" story. (Which is why it doesn't get much mainstream press.)

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Case in point. You really should read what I post sometimes.
Unlike yourself, I often do. But if you haven't noticed by now, I don't expect you soon will.

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And we still don't have a single piece of evidence that there really was a flood as portrayed in the biblical story, even though you claimed there was lots of evidence.

Why is there no evidence?
Because rather than repost, it makes more sense for you to scroll up to the earlier parts of the thread. I shan't copy & paste that much just to waste my time.

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