Topic Review. This seems like a better place to discuss flood mythology than
History Rules thread.
CTD on
History Rules message 37082 asserts:
Quite the contrary. We have flood stories from all over the world, and even long-suppressed evidence that several cultures trace their ancestry to Noah & sons. It is pretty clear what evidence is being ignored by whom.
This is similar to other claims made by CTD and other creationists, all based on the tacit assumption that if there is a myth about a flood that it
must be about the biblical flood. The question is whether this assertion stands up to scrutiny.
Let's begin with native american myths, particularly in the southwest, where the association with the Grand Canyon would be logical if the grand canyon were a relic of this flood event.
The first problem is that most other flood myths are creation myths:
Hopi Creation Myth"Now that was a good thing and a mighty thing," said Tawa. "So now all this is finished, and there shall be no new things made by us. Those things we have made shall multiply. I will make a journey across the Above each day to shed my light upon them and return each night to Huzruiwuhti. And now I shall go to turn my blazing shield upon the Endless Waters, so that the Dry Land may appear. And this day will be the first day upon Earth."
Placing her Magic Twins beside her, Spider Woman called all the people to follow where she led. Through all the Four Great Caverns of the Underworld she led them until they finally came to an opening, a sipapu, which led above. This came out at the lowest depth of the Pisisbaiya (the Colorado River) and was the place where the people were to come to gather salt. So lately had the Endless Waters gone down that the Turkey, Koyona, pushing early ahead, dragged its tail feathers in the black mud where the dark bands were to remain forever.
There is no myth of later floods in the Hopi legends.
Apache Creation Myth:
In the beginning nothing existed--no earth, no sky, no sun, no moon, only darkness was everywhere.
Suddenly from the darkness emerged a thin disc, one side yellow and the other side white, appearing suspended in midair. Within the disc sat a small bearded man, Creator, the One Who Lives Above. As if waking from a long nap, he rubbed his eyes and face with both hands.
Creator named the boy, Sky-Boy, to be chief of the Sky-People. One girl he named Earth-Daughter, to take charge of the earth and its crops. The other girl he named Pollen-Girl, and gave her charge of health care for all Earth-People.
Since the earth was flat and barren, Creator thought it fun to create animals, birds, trees, and a hill. He sent Pigeon to see how the world looked. Four days later, he returned and reported, "All is beautiful around the world. But four days from now, the water on the other side of the earth will rise and cause a mighty flood."
In twelve days, the water receded, leaving the float-ball high on a hilltop. The rushing floodwater changed the plains into mountains, hills, valleys, and rivers. Girl-Without-Parents led the gods out from the float-ball onto the new earth. She took them upon her cloud, drifting upward until they met Creator with his helpers, who had completed their work making the sky during the flood time on earth.
Again, there is no myth of later flood in Apache legends.
The second problem is that when there is a post-creation flood myth, that the story is different:
The
Inca Flood MythOnce there was a period called the Pachachama, when humankind was cruel, barbaric, and murderous. Human beings did whatever they pleased without any fear. They were so busy planning wars and stealing that they completely ignored the gods. The only part of the world that remained uncorrupted was the high Andes.
In the highlands of Peru there were two shepherd brothers who were of impeccable character. They became very concerned when their llamas acted strangely. The llamas stopped eating and spent the night gazing sadly up at the stars. When the brothers asked the llamas what was going on, they replied that the stars had told them that a great flood was coming that would destroy all creatures on earth.
The two brothers and their families decided to seek safety in the caves in the highest mountain. They took their flocks with them into a cave and then it began to rain. It rained for months without end. Looking down from the mountains, they saw that the llamas were right: The entire world was being destroyed. They could hear the cries of the miserable dying humans below. Miraculously, the mountain grew taller and taller as the waters rose. Even so, the waters began to lap at the door of their cave. Then the mountain grew still higher.
One day they saw that the rain had ceased and that the waters were subsiding. Inti, the sun-god, appeared once again and smiled, causing the waters to evaporate. Just as their provisions were running out, the brothers looked down to see that the earth was dry. The mountain then returned to its usual height, and the shepherds and their families repopulated the earth.
Human beings live everywhere; llamas, however, remember the flood and prefer to live only in the highlands
We can continue with other myths from other places, but the essential evidence is that these myths are different, in how the floods occurred, what god/s were involve, and who survived and how, and for them all to be substantiation of the biblical flood, then the conclusion is that Noah and family were not the only humans to survive.
The fact is that water alone does not make these stories the same. Not one of these other myths supports the story of Noah and his family and his zoo-yacht.
Enjoy.