Here here CTD. We are indeed at War.

Just a note to Pwcca:

If you're going to get on and make an evaluation of the problems in our posts, then please do so fairly. Otherwise, it comes across as obnoxious. These posts of yours, regarding OUR need for improving our behaviours somehow omit the need for the opposition to check themselves at the sametime....... How can you honestly expect to be taken seriously when you continue to do this? It just comes across as insincere and hypocritical.

It seems that you are unable (or won't) admit to the provocative and emotional posts of Linda and Linear, yet you jump onto the responses by myself and CTD. Are yours and their faults completely invisible to you? Do you sit there with an eyepatch? One eye open to our faults, the other eye with a big patch on when it comes to Linda and Linear's? Not sure how Russ or anybody else keeps their patience with them. I envy that kind of attitude. I don't have it. I can make more efforts, but usually they fail.

You're judging and refereeing, once again, comes from a viewpoint of bias. Your posts, rather than helping, just provoke more of the same as you can see. What names did I call Linear and Linda? I'm curious. My responses may have been emotional, angry and frustrated (naturally), but I do not remember calling them names. I responded in similar emotion and attitude that I had been dished out! What do you expect? flowers?

Yes, it would be great if everybody managed this without emotion and immaturity. But when do you get that kind of calmness and maturity in debate? especially evolution and creation, politics, religion etc. It's human to find yourself becoming angry and emotional. Some are much more adept at controlling it than others, but please please start being fair and honest in your "evaluations". Your points really do go for everybody on here and you included. Unless you want everybody to believe you have a clean track-record on here? Including Linda and Linear. Otherwise you're just dishing out more hypocrisy.

Back to the topic (if it's even possible to remain there).The hair covering by the way was NOT a commandment. Neither in the old or new testament, but was a hard statement directed at the vanity of women in the presence of God, by St Paul the apostle. Glamorous adornments and showing off could, in a sense, be so deterimental to the person that it would be better for them to cover their heads, than to expose their crowning glory. Anybody seen women in church show off? wear provocative clothing? I have. It is truly repulsive and particularly in the presence of God. It also scandalises others too and may provoke a person to sin. Modesty is the key.

There are plenty of "christians" who fail at keeping commandments also (me included), does that somehow invalidate those commandments? Do you use them as a means to downgrade the bible without bothering to focus on any of the tremendous good and Christian charities/organisations out there?

Let me try again and this time I will capatilise and bold it and hope this time it might penetrate:

THE FAILURES OF ANYBODY, INCLUDING ANY FOLLOWERS OF GOD DO NOT INVALIDATE HIS WORD, SIMPLY BECAUSE SOME OR MANY MAY HAVE LET OURSELVES DOWN BY OUR DISOBEDIENCE/SINS OR EVEN OMMISSIONS. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS? HOW MANY MORE TIMES DOES IT NEED POINTING OUT TO YOU?

Or is this just convenient for you to keep arguing incessantly over it, going through the same stuff over and over, wearing out your opponent, so they might give up bothering to repeat themselves and you'll then accept it as a "victory" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cheerleaderponytails.gif" alt="" /> Because in the end, it seems it's a case of who gets the last word doesn't it?

The commandments and expectations of God are clear, both in old and new testament. Adultery, fornication, homosexuality, witchcraft, taking God's name in vain, lying, murder, bearing false witness, etc etc, are the KEY sins that one is to watch out for. Does it mean nobody commits them? Does it mean if someone does commit them, that it then invalidates the bible? No. The bible doesn't fail. God doesn't fail. We can fail! This is why we need to work at our salvation everyday of our lives. It is not just about confessing by mouth, but the evidence of the belief should also be in our actions. Many of fail at that (me included). The evidence of conversion and loyalty to God should be reflection in our own lives. Christ's blood should not be played with and used as a scapegoat to say "I can continue to sin". WRONG! God said "Not all who cry Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but they that do the will of my Father". He expects obedience. "If you love Me, keep my commandments".

Ok, here are quotes regarding the animal sacrifices of the old testament and the new convenent of the one Sacrifice of Christ (the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world).

Leviticus 16.19 He (Aaron) must sprinkle some of the blood on the alter 7 times....to purify it from the sins of the people of Israel and make it holy.

Leviticus 17.11 Blood, which is life, takes away sin.

Hebrews 9.22 "indeed, according to the (Moses) laws, almost everything is purified by blood and sins are forgiven only if blood is poured out".

Hebrews 10.11 Every Jewish Priest offers the same sacrifices many times, but these sacrifices can never take away sins. Christ however offered one sacrifice for sins, an offering that is effective forever, and he sat down at the right side of God".

This is why, when the lamb of God (Jesus) gave His life, there was no further need for animal sacrifice, and to continue to do them would no longer be acceptable to the Father. Futile in fact. Since, He had sent His only Son as a sacrifice. The new blood covenent. To continue sacrificing animals after this, would be like saying Christ's sacrifice is insufficient.

So many people would reject this sacrifice, that I believe this was a big part of His agony. Since He shed His blood for all, not "a few" or "only those that I think are going to accept it" and being aware so many would in the end, reject it. I cannot imagine the pain of knowing how many it would be shed for in vain.

Linda, I hope this "somewhat" answers your question. Must I need to hunt down more chapter and verse for this?