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Bex, can you not understand why I've said to Russ before why I prefer him not to come here and say "watch this video" and expect an evolutionist to spend hours refuting it? I would not do the same to you. It would be better to save time all round by picking one aspect and discussing it thoroughly from all sides. I'm not trying to insult you, I'm trying to point out why pasting whole web pages or links to videos is generally not a good idea in a debate. I'm happy to pick up some of the more ridiculous points by Yahya above, but it's going to take quite a bit of time and I'll have to wait until I can find a chunk. If it were just a few points then it wouldn't be a problem to take 10 minutes or so to comment. In the meantime I'm not sure if you answered RAZD's question above. In the time you took to paste all of that here, presumably you believed everything it said without question? I'm going to have to do a lot of searches to get at the actual facts, many of which have been distorted and misrepresented -- do you ever do the same, or do you accept the interpretation of the evidence being offered to you at face value because it says what you want to hear? Presumably this doesn't include his opinions on Islamist fundamentalism, an old earth, or holocaust revisionism?

What I've noticed on this forum Linda, is you have one rule for yourself and a rule for everybody else. You can bring many matters up into one post and then sit back and watch as the creationists figure out which one to discuss. When we discuss something on here, you will then go back and discuss past issues.

The videos on here were for people who felt like giving them a view, I never asked for refutation. In fact, I posted them also for creationists. And you'll notice that many posts do not contain videos, or simply copied and pasted pages of websites.

You also seem to forget that you yourself post up links when it suits you to webpages from your evolution side, but do not seem to like it when it's done back to you. I made the difference by getting pictures up there and the corresponding comments, which I narrowed down more, so the person did not have to click on a link and scroll through every page of the website.

You failed to acknowledge that, plus the text that was in my own words. You have tried to make out I simply went on a website, clicked copy, came on here and clicked paste and magically, the entire pictures and text appeared. I think I have already explained to you what I did and went through, which hasn't appeared to have sunk in yet. Do I need to repeat myself?

If you want to bring up ape-man and then other isues at the sametime, dating methods etc, what do you expect? See this is what happens, you do this and then when it backfires you cannot handle it. I am honestly not sure which ONE issue you really wanted to discuss, you keep talking about apes to men and referring to the skulls, yet when I put up how difficult it can be to dicipher them if we do not have full information, nor the ability to see what they were like when covered in in flesh/hair etc, and the rest.

Much of my post was to give an example of why it is difficult and to also let people see how much bias and deception have come into this and been presented to the public. I am unsure how you can possibly wave this away as being a lie, considering the pictures are there, in your face to back it up. Including the drawings and pictures of the evolutionists depicting these fossils in a deceptive manner. One of which appeared on national geographic also.

If you insist on making out this guy is deceiving us in one way or another, as I said, I am ready to email him and hopefully get him on here to defend himself. I am really sick of you waving away every creationist website and post and pictures, but deciding that anything you give from the evolution side should be swallowed as a fact, regardless of content.

You also seem only too happy to overlook or even ignore the deceptions of the evolution scientists and I'd love to see you trying to excuse all that's been presented, considering it's common knowledge and considering the sources and dates were given. I guess you got your side to tell and the side you tell is always right <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Whereas everybody else has "gotten it wrong".