I think I can agee with that for the most part, but the bible also says that a thousand years is like a day to the Lord God and a day like a thousand years. and which thought is often used in regard to prophecy in the bible so it can be applied to other parts too, no?

Altogether, I don't know. It stands to reason that Yeshua existed prior as God's first son since supposedly he had a hand in creation, and even satan is refefred to as a son of God in Job and the bible doesn't actually tell us anything about their creation etc. Genesis 1:26 says quite directly 'Let US make man in OUR image'.

But i was just going to mention something like that in the other thread.so thanks for the clarification beforehand from that angle. it's a mystery to me.

the earth without form, and void, has always impressed me simply as matter floating around in space, or wherever. And the heaven as we refer to it does not necessarily include God's dwelling place, which some say is above that somewhere, some other 'heaven'. I think it may even be mentioned in the bible as such (above the heavens) but not sure offhand, pretty sure. stands to reason if that were so that the angels dwelled with God above the heavens long before the earth without form was formed into the earth as we know it. and light, God is light no? so a different type of light than the sun shining (angels of light etc) but wherever God dwells he does not need the sun to have light. he has something better I think.

but anyway, a mystery to me. all the same in the end from here. If God wanted us to know everything he would say but he doesn't.

any evolution (abiogenesis type, man from microbes etc) in there or civilization before adam, no, that didn't happen. Man has really only been here, 7, 8, 10 however many thousand years I think that is actually pretty evident. just the age of the earth could be a bit more than whatever they say it is biblically generally (young earth), simply as matter free floating around in space.

does that make sense?