I don't recall you ever making that admission perfectly clear, sorry if I missed that. With all of the ensuing discussion it does appear otherwise.


How can it possibly not be relevant? In order to even begin don't we have to at least have a 'creator' in mind? I mean, to discuss creation without a creator seems rather pointless. That's like saying my paints and canvases somehow churn out masterpieces on their own due the fact of their singular existence. That would be nice, but it's not happening at the moment. If you ever figure out how something can be created without a person to create, please let me know. I would even pay for the information!!! I have lots and lots of ideas but only so much skill... something like that would mean a lot to me.


But lots of those are corraborated, there are even videos. You really do have to stick to items of corroborated evidence in these areas, I agree.


There are times in my life when God, Jesus to be exact, has healed me, more or less completely, but I still wear contact lenses for example. When i was sick with the mercury poisoning, for sure, I leaned heavily on his strength to get through... but I still have issues. do you know why I still have issues as minor as they are, my life is not perfect? I still have issues because I, me, I keep doing things that get me sick. It's a learning process. I have learned whole bunches in the mercury forum here for instance. My knowledge of how to proceed is better than ever. Jesus could heal me completely today, you know I think he has done that a few times in my life... but I'll be sick again in a month... not real sick but never quite right because I keep doing certain things that got me sick in the first place. Hopefully my learning curve is accelerating is all I can hope for. I think by next year at this time, as well as I feel now, I will feel that much better even. Think about this... the bible gives us instructions, a lot in leviticus, on how to live, things to eat, things to avoid. I know for sure, if it were possible in this society (which it isn't), if I had been raised with all these healthy ideas set in stone for my life, I would not be sick, even just a little, today. I am 100% sure of it. But for most of us today, we only start learning after encountering problems, not before. So that's a big issue.



I have plenty of proof in my own life. However, no one can corroborate a lot of that, my daughter perhaps having experinced much of the same, but most of it goes on when I am alone. Since the God of the Bible and the salvation provided by His Son are "proven" in my life... Let put it this way, if he says he is the creator, if he can reach a hand inside me, literally I have experienced that, and fix things, and other ways he has proven to me that he is at least my creator, knowing more about me than I know myself, I certainly do not want to argue with him about it.

I haven't had time to watch Bex's video, maybe I can at least listen to it later.


Well maybe we can disinclude you from the generalization since a seed of faith exists. What it would take to make the seed of faith that you have about God's existence blossom into a self-proven, self-acknowledging fruit bearing thing remains to be answered I guess.

Even I have questions about the book of Genesis, because obviously a lot of that is probably verbal myth, handed down from on generation to another, and we all know what becomes of verbal mythology. Even a person who is a legend in his own time is quite embellished 4 generations later without an exact written history. So in that area we do have to rely on faith, but not neccesarily just what the bible says about it... through God, Jesus, through his actions with us among us today here and now, how he proves himself capable. He has proven himself capable to me. That is exactly where a relationship with him takes you to the next level. Reading the bible only gets you so far, you still need to knwo he is real, in your own life, to you for you etc. Which also proves to me that if he wants you to find a fossil that will keep you deluded for years upon end, he can manage that too. quite easily. oh I am quite sure.

There is lots of evidence for the flood btw, the masses and heaps of bones and fossils they find is quite a bit of evidence for instance. you are always ignoring that. Lots of evidence that these things didn't happen very long ago either, like frozen flesh that hasn't been frozen that long or only half mummified flesh of extinct creatures... you are always ignoring that too.

If you look at the history of a lot of religions, a lot of them force faith. Islam requires the obedience of 'faith', the catholic church has done it. Hinduism does it, they require faith, works that prove the 'believer' is not an infidel etc. Problem with that scheme is that faith cannot really be required. faith is so very personal, whether or not a person really believes. I really don't think God is interested in the type of faith that some religions require because it's not real faith, just a show. As far as him showing us what he wants us to find, to know, whatever, he does do that. There is an awful lot of strange stuff that goes on in this world. No one has an explanation, you'll never ever set so many things in stone because next thing you know, something else shows up where you least expect it. We are only capable of seeing so much, and our understanding is only relevant to the things we, as individuals, can understand. Past that we make bad choices, bad diagnosis, improper suggestions. And most of the time we don't even know how far off we are. But God knows. And agiain that's where faith comes in, in fact that's where you are suppose to become humble enough to say to him, I don't know please help me. Unfortunately a lot of people are incapable of humbling themselves, pride is a big issue among people. I think it's a very very complicated issue.