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Joined: Mar 2008
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I guess I didn't elaborate enough when I said Anyone other than a committed evolutionist should have no problem understanding that there is no tree. No tree = no non-whale ancestor for the whale. Hippos didn't become whippos didn't become whales. Whales have always been whales, just as bats have always been bats, crocodiles have always been crocodiles, pterosaurs have always been pterosaurs, and every other kind of lifeform has always been what it's been. Now, since whales have always been whales, either God made whales, or they came into being spontaneously. While some may believe in spontaneous generation of whales, such an event runs contrary to science. It is scientific and rational to conclude that whales were made by God. The only reliable record which speaks of God's early activities indicates that everything was made during the first week. As science confirms that God made creatures, there is no conflict. Nope. Still clear as mud to me. It appears that you are saying that since new evidence causes changes in the understanding of the ancestral relationships between species, that there actually is no ancestral relationship (ie...no "tree") between species and each species was specially created all at the same time in a 3 day span 6000 years ago. I don't see how you can draw that conclusion based on the evidence you provided. Please lead me through the logic you are using. Let's start with your conclusion that since new evidence shows a different ancestral relationship than was previously thought then there is really no ancestral relationship. I'm saying since the evidence shows there can be no ancestor, there is no tree. The hippo can't be the ancestor. The 99% make-believe critter extrapolated from teeth can't be the ancestor. The "old model ancestor" can't be the ancestor. Nothin' from nothin' leaves nothin'. Ya gotta have something, if ya wanna become a whale. And quantitywise, whales are a pretty tall order for abiogenesis. It's starting to look like I'll have to wait 'til I stumble across something else. I don't see room for much more clarification or elaboration.
Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson
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