I understand and accept your reply Russ, but unfortuantely I can't agree with one thing. Society is changing for the worst. I'm not just talking about within the church, but on a whole. Both my partner and I have worked in schools for years. It is a huge concern that the vast majority of students do not respect staff, each other and parents, in fact any authorative figure. When the priest comes into school, he is mocked. Similarily the respect for police and other figures of authority has diminished rapidly. As I said we are not talking about a minority here, but the majority. You can point out the error of their ways and some individuals are still able to look inside themselves, recognize their errors and change, but not without someone bringing their misconduct to attention and guiding them along the right path. Some individuals will never be able to do this and I have had experience of these people continually 'feeding' off other's misery for the whole of their lives. So where do we draw the line. Continue to turn the other cheek, until society is living with no rules and guidelines until things are beyond endurance, watch our children grow and adapt to this kind of society or try and change things. Yes everybody has a right to their own opinions, but it is not always right to state them. We often say to our children, you have a right to your own opinion, but think about it, question it. If it needs stating, do it in a unoffensive manner with considration for the other person's feelings. If you can't do this, say nothing and do a lot of thinking. Everybody sometimes needs to be reminded that they are acting in an unacceptable way. Best Wishes Tracy x