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As usual, it looks like we're going to have to debate something which makes perfect sense to most others on the planet.

I never said that a species has to hit crisis level. I said that there are factors which naturally limit a population's size. There doesn't necessarily have to be a crisis before this happens. In many species, for example, the males leave the group in which they grew up when they reach maturity, and find a territory of their own. Sometimes he may have to fight for one, if there are lots of other males doing the same. I could come up with 100 other examples.

Can you give one of your own please?
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Populations increasing until strain is put upon resources would seem to be to be simple observable fact. Unless there is something holding numbers back artificially, such as habitat loss or disease, then the population will eventually expand as far as limits allow.
So which is it? Do populations expand to the limits imposed by resources, or are they self-regulated to prevent this from happening?

I know what Darwin said. I know what's been observed. You seem to be attempting to claim both are true. I hope we shan't have to consult wiki on the possibility of two mutually exclusive things being true at the same time. I suppose it's difficult for you to choose between faith and science, so take your time.


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