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I don't have difficulty admitting that some evolutionists, especially in the 19th and early 20th centuries used the idea of favored races (which, if you read Darwin, means favored members of a particular species) to foist their racist ideals upon the rest of the world. I will further agree that the X-club members probably used their influence within the scientific community to help the Theory of Evolution get accepted more rapidly. Ok, that's history that I can do nothing to change. And precious little to prevent it's discovery, if you haven't noticed. Why would I want to prevent its discovery? I don't care if they were racist...I try not to be racist. I don't care if some of them influenced the acceptance of evolution by means outside the scientific establishment...I am only interested in the scientific validity of the theory. If it is not valid then show me with the science. What is CTD's purpose for bringing it up in the first place? A history lesson? Examples of what should not be done? See this, LindaLou? My motive is being questioned. Please try to become familiar with this concept. Thats because you won't tell us the purpose of your bringing up the X-club. In fact, you still haven't. Your speculation about what would have happened or not is your own. I'm trying to discuss what did happen. As long as motives are being questioned, why do you object to people attempting to discover what happened in the past? I don't object to what you are showing us. In fact, I have accepted the parts of your statements that you say are history and even some of the speculation you have presented. I just object to your inference that evolution is invalid because of the actions of some people with regard to it. If your intent is not to mudsling at all evolutionists because of the actions of a few, then what is your intent by bringing this up? You brought up the eugenics crowd for some reason which you have kept to yourself. Another instance of motive in the conversation. You have only named eugenicists and showed they use the Theory of Evolution to support their cockeyed beliefs. Without any further explanation from you as to why you mentioned them, I can only assume it was to smear all evolutionists with their taint by association. And another. If you have another reason for bringing them up besides mudslinging then I wouldn't mind hearing it. However, all your comments since bringing it up (...because we choose to discuss issues with which you have difficulty admitting the truth of... for example) point to it being a guilt by association smear campaign. And still another. Motive seems to be almost an obsession, eh? I hope LindaLou will have enough examples, and be able to obtain some understanding. Examples of what? That I would like to know the purpose for your pointing out people who do bad things to advance acceptance of evolution and others who use the Theory of evolution as an excuse to do bad things to others? I just want to clear up the purpose for this thread. If it is history, then fine. It just looks like a smear campaign similar to the stuff that AIG does...equating evolutionists with Hitler...etc.
A faith that connot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets. -- Arthur C. Clarke
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Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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03/24/08 09:09 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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03/24/08 11:08 PM
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SoSick
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03/25/08 04:04 AM
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CTD
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03/25/08 09:21 AM
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CTD
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03/25/08 12:15 PM
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SoSick
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03/25/08 01:15 PM
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CTD
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03/25/08 03:57 PM
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SoSick
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03/25/08 05:49 PM
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Kitsune
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03/25/08 06:57 PM
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CTD
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03/25/08 09:24 PM
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Symmetry
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Russ
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03/25/08 10:47 PM
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Re: Symmetry
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SoSick
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03/26/08 12:02 AM
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Re: Symmetry
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Kitsune
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03/26/08 08:36 AM
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CTD
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03/26/08 10:34 AM
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Kitsune
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03/26/08 10:46 AM
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Re: Symmetry
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CTD
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03/26/08 02:21 PM
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Kitsune
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03/25/08 07:25 AM
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Tut-tut
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03/25/08 09:05 AM
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CTD
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03/25/08 11:10 AM
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Kitsune
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03/25/08 11:38 AM
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CTD
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03/25/08 01:13 PM
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SoSick
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03/25/08 02:01 PM
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LinearAq
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03/25/08 03:07 PM
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SoSick
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03/25/08 03:44 PM
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CTD
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03/25/08 06:56 PM
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LinearAq
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03/25/08 08:13 PM
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CTD
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03/25/08 09:30 PM
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SoSick
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LinearAq
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03/26/08 02:18 PM
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SoSick
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03/26/08 03:55 PM
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LinearAq
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03/26/08 07:09 PM
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SoSick
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03/26/08 10:38 PM
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The Anti-religious
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LinearAq
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03/27/08 04:25 PM
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Re: The Anti-religious
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SoSick
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03/28/08 12:11 AM
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LinearAq
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03/28/08 02:20 PM
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Re: The Anti-religious
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SoSick
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03/28/08 04:34 PM
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LinearAq
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03/28/08 07:10 PM
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SoSick
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03/28/08 10:52 PM
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SoSick
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03/29/08 03:29 AM
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Kitsune
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03/29/08 08:10 AM
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SoSick
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Kitsune
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03/30/08 11:48 AM
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SoSick
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03/30/08 01:28 PM
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Kitsune
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SoSick
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03/30/08 02:15 PM
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SoSick
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03/30/08 02:56 PM
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Kitsune
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03/30/08 04:54 PM
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SoSick
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Kitsune
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SoSick
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Kitsune
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SoSick
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SoSick
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03/31/08 01:33 AM
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Kitsune
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03/30/08 04:03 PM
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Kitsune
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03/30/08 04:42 PM
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CTD
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04/15/08 02:06 PM
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SoSick
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04/15/08 08:57 PM
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Re: The Anti-religious
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CTD
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04/16/08 12:16 AM
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SoSick
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04/16/08 02:16 AM
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Early cosmic evolution
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04/18/08 06:52 AM
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SoSick
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04/18/08 03:05 PM
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CTD
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03/26/08 11:44 PM
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LinearAq
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CTD
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03/28/08 04:05 AM
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Dead air
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Kitsune
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03/28/08 07:20 AM
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Kitsune
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03/28/08 10:42 AM
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CTD
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03/28/08 02:08 PM
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Kitsune
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03/28/08 03:59 PM
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CTD
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03/28/08 06:47 PM
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Kitsune
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03/28/08 07:36 PM
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CTD
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03/28/08 08:11 PM
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Kitsune
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03/28/08 08:32 PM
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SoSick
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03/28/08 08:55 PM
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LinearAq
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03/28/08 09:31 PM
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CTD
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03/28/08 10:13 PM
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Kitsune
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03/28/08 11:00 PM
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SoSick
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03/29/08 12:17 AM
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What, not who.
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LinearAq
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03/31/08 11:25 AM
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Re: What, not who.
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SoSick
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03/31/08 03:52 PM
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Kitsune
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03/31/08 04:03 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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SoSick
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03/31/08 04:04 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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Kitsune
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03/31/08 04:39 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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SoSick
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03/31/08 04:41 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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LinearAq
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03/31/08 04:50 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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LinearAq
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03/31/08 04:47 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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SoSick
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Kitsune
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03/31/08 05:57 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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SoSick
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03/31/08 06:43 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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Kitsune
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03/31/08 08:31 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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LinearAq
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03/31/08 08:35 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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CTD
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03/31/08 09:36 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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LinearAq
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03/31/08 09:48 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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CTD
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03/31/08 10:39 PM
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Kitsune
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03/31/08 10:55 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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SoSick
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04/01/08 01:15 AM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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04/01/08 02:20 AM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 07:08 AM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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SoSick
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04/01/08 11:13 AM
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Far afield
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LinearAq
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04/01/08 11:46 AM
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Re: Far afield
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SoSick
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04/01/08 11:55 AM
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Re: Far afield
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 12:33 PM
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Re: Far afield
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SoSick
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04/01/08 01:38 PM
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Re: Far afield
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 03:01 PM
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A better approach
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CTD
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04/01/08 04:16 PM
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 05:00 PM
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Re: A better approach
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CTD
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04/01/08 07:32 PM
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Re: A better approach
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 08:00 PM
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To the subject
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LinearAq
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04/01/08 04:18 PM
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Re: To the subject
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CTD
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04/01/08 08:17 PM
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Re: To the subject
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LinearAq
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04/01/08 08:51 PM
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Racism and Darwin
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SoSick
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04/01/08 11:44 PM
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Re: Racism and Darwin
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LinearAq
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04/02/08 12:50 AM
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SoSick
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LinearAq
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04/02/08 12:19 PM
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Re: Racism and Darwin
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CTD
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04/02/08 01:32 AM
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SoSick
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04/02/08 01:41 AM
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SoSick
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04/02/08 02:33 AM
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SoSick
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04/02/08 04:19 AM
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RN still unconnected
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CTD
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04/02/08 07:26 AM
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SoSick
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04/02/08 12:34 PM
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SoSick
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04/02/08 03:14 PM
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Kitsune
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04/02/08 03:41 PM
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LinearAq
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04/02/08 04:40 PM
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SoSick
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04/03/08 04:45 AM
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A nutshell
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CTD
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04/03/08 08:26 AM
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Re: A nutshell
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Kitsune
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04/03/08 08:46 AM
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Re: A nutshell
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CTD
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04/03/08 03:27 PM
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Re: A nutshell
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SoSick
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04/03/08 05:29 PM
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Re: A nutshell
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SoSick
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04/03/08 06:00 PM
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Re: A nutshell (very apt!!)
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LinearAq
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04/03/08 09:58 PM
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Re: A nutshell (very apt!!)
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SoSick
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04/04/08 12:25 AM
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Another American
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CTD
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04/06/08 08:12 AM
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Re: Another American
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SoSick
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04/06/08 02:48 PM
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Re: Another American
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SoSick
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Re: Another American
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CTD
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04/07/08 01:22 AM
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Re: Another American
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SoSick
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04/07/08 05:11 AM
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Re: A nutshell
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CTD
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04/04/08 01:39 AM
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Re: A nutshell
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Pwcca
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04/04/08 06:48 AM
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SoSick
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04/04/08 06:43 PM
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Antihistorians in action
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CTD
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04/08/08 08:19 PM
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Re: Antihistorians in action
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SoSick
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04/09/08 01:55 AM
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Re: Antihistorians in action
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SoSick
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04/09/08 02:48 AM
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Re: Antihistorians in action
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CTD
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04/11/08 09:24 PM
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China, Master of the Universe
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SoSick
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04/12/08 03:27 PM
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Re: Antihistorians in action
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SoSick
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04/13/08 09:52 PM
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Re: RN still unconnected
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CTD
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04/02/08 05:59 PM
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Re: RN still unconnected
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SoSick
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04/02/08 06:02 PM
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Re: RN still unconnected
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CTD
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04/02/08 06:52 PM
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T.H.Huxley
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CTD
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04/02/08 07:08 PM
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Re: T.H.Huxley
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SoSick
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04/03/08 04:22 AM
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Re: RN still unconnected
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CTD
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04/02/08 05:16 PM
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Huxley to Lankester to Marx
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CTD
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06/07/08 05:11 AM
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Re: Racism and Darwin
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LinearAq
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04/02/08 12:31 PM
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Re: Racism and Darwin
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Kitsune
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04/02/08 11:19 AM
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Re: Racism and Darwin
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LinearAq
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04/02/08 12:29 PM
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Re: To the subject
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SoSick
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04/01/08 09:25 PM
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Re: Far afield
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CTD
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06/24/08 05:24 AM
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Re: Far afield
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Russ
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07/10/08 11:02 PM
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Karl Pearson
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CTD
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04/27/08 08:13 AM
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Re: Far afield
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LinearAq
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05/07/08 08:39 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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passw0rd
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04/14/08 07:31 AM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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passw0rd
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04/14/08 07:42 AM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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SoSick
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04/01/08 01:43 PM
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Another branch
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CTD
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04/01/08 02:58 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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SoSick
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04/01/08 06:01 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 06:34 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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SoSick
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04/01/08 07:05 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 07:30 PM
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Congratulation!!!!
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LinearAq
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03/28/08 03:07 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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04/27/08 01:35 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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Bex
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04/27/08 09:03 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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04/27/08 11:04 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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Bex
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04/27/08 11:22 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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04/28/08 01:00 AM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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SoSick
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04/28/08 01:17 AM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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Bex
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04/28/08 01:18 AM
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D to the Dick
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SoSick
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04/28/08 04:30 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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SoSick
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04/28/08 05:00 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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Bex
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04/28/08 05:47 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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SoSick
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04/28/08 06:07 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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CTD
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04/28/08 06:40 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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Kitsune
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04/28/08 09:53 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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Bex
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04/28/08 10:31 AM
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These people and their machinations!
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CTD
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04/28/08 09:56 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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CTD
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04/28/08 05:46 AM
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More Open Conspiracy Evidence
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CTD
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05/07/08 06:28 PM
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Re: More Open Conspiracy Evidence
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Kitsune
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05/07/08 07:51 PM
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Ice Age Players
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CTD
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05/10/08 02:30 PM
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Re: Ice Age Players
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CTD
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05/10/08 03:12 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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03/27/08 07:56 AM
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Denial & Follow-up
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CTD
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03/28/08 06:09 PM
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Re: Denial & Follow-up
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Kitsune
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03/28/08 07:30 PM
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A mild surprise
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CTD
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01/22/09 02:18 AM
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Fatherly Advice
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CTD
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04/03/09 09:27 PM
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Re: Fatherly Advice
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CTD
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04/04/09 12:07 AM
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Re: A mild surprise
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CTD
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04/04/09 12:27 PM
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Re: A mild surprise
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CTD
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04/05/09 02:54 AM
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X Club may still be around
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CTD
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04/16/09 06:01 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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10/29/09 01:07 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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06/18/11 09:45 AM
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