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I'm sorry but the premise here is faulty. So many scientists accept the ToE because it explains the evidence, not because of an evil conspiracy. A good historian doesn't accept assumptions as firm conclusions without investigating. We have evidence of several motives, so we can pretty much rule out your single-motive model, at least until we see some evidence. It would be helpful if you could find evidence of a scientist who was committed to the theory of creation, and rejected it on the basis of evidence. You maintain this was the case for the overwhelming majority of scientists, do you not? Why can nobody find even one? When I consider the extent of the propaganda machinery, and how pleased they would be to publish such stories, it's hard for me to accept "the fossil record is incomplete" as an excuse. Evidence-based conversion is looking more and more like an unsupportable myth. As I'm looking to find the truth, I welcome historic evidence which will advance the investigation. For example, your post #253165 in the "Evolution: the Big Joke" thread was helpful. Let's look at natural selection again. Darwin and Wallace actually found their inspiration for this idea in economics. An English parson named Thomas Malthus published a book in 1797 called Essay on the Principle of Population in which he warned his fellow Englishmen that most policies designed to help the poor were doomed because of the relentless pressure of population growth. A nation could easily double its population in a few decades, leading to famine and misery for all. Now we can see that when Social Darwinists applied Darwinism to human affairs, they were coming full circle. One can better understand their motives and the consistency of their reasoning. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson
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Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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03/24/08 09:09 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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03/24/08 11:08 PM
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SoSick
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03/25/08 04:04 AM
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CTD
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03/25/08 09:21 AM
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03/25/08 09:24 PM
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Symmetry
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03/26/08 12:02 AM
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03/25/08 07:25 AM
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Tut-tut
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03/25/08 11:10 AM
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03/25/08 01:13 PM
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CTD
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03/26/08 07:09 PM
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03/26/08 10:38 PM
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The Anti-religious
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Kitsune
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CTD
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04/16/08 02:16 AM
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Early cosmic evolution
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03/26/08 11:44 PM
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LinearAq
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CTD
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03/28/08 04:05 AM
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Dead air
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03/28/08 07:20 AM
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Kitsune
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CTD
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03/28/08 06:47 PM
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Kitsune
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CTD
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Kitsune
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SoSick
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CTD
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03/28/08 11:00 PM
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SoSick
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03/29/08 12:17 AM
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What, not who.
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SoSick
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Kitsune
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03/31/08 04:39 PM
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SoSick
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LinearAq
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03/31/08 04:50 PM
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LinearAq
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SoSick
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Kitsune
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03/31/08 05:57 PM
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SoSick
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03/31/08 06:43 PM
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Kitsune
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03/31/08 08:31 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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LinearAq
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03/31/08 08:35 PM
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CTD
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03/31/08 09:36 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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LinearAq
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03/31/08 09:48 PM
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Re: What, not who.
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CTD
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03/31/08 10:39 PM
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Kitsune
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03/31/08 10:55 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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SoSick
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04/01/08 01:15 AM
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CTD
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04/01/08 02:20 AM
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 07:08 AM
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SoSick
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04/01/08 11:13 AM
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Far afield
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SoSick
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Kitsune
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SoSick
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04/01/08 01:38 PM
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Re: Far afield
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 03:01 PM
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A better approach
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CTD
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04/01/08 04:16 PM
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 05:00 PM
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Re: A better approach
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CTD
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04/01/08 07:32 PM
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 08:00 PM
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To the subject
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LinearAq
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04/01/08 04:18 PM
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Re: To the subject
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CTD
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04/01/08 08:17 PM
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LinearAq
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04/01/08 08:51 PM
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Racism and Darwin
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04/01/08 11:44 PM
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LinearAq
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SoSick
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LinearAq
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CTD
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SoSick
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SoSick
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SoSick
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04/02/08 04:19 AM
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RN still unconnected
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CTD
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04/02/08 07:26 AM
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SoSick
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SoSick
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Kitsune
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LinearAq
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SoSick
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04/03/08 04:45 AM
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A nutshell
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Kitsune
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Re: A nutshell
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CTD
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Re: A nutshell
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SoSick
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Re: A nutshell
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SoSick
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04/03/08 06:00 PM
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Re: A nutshell (very apt!!)
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LinearAq
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04/03/08 09:58 PM
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Re: A nutshell (very apt!!)
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SoSick
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04/04/08 12:25 AM
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Another American
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CTD
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SoSick
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SoSick
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CTD
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SoSick
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04/07/08 05:11 AM
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Re: A nutshell
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CTD
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04/04/08 01:39 AM
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Re: A nutshell
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Pwcca
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04/04/08 06:48 AM
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SoSick
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04/04/08 06:43 PM
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Antihistorians in action
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CTD
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Re: Antihistorians in action
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SoSick
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04/09/08 01:55 AM
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Re: Antihistorians in action
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SoSick
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04/09/08 02:48 AM
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Re: Antihistorians in action
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CTD
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04/11/08 09:24 PM
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China, Master of the Universe
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SoSick
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04/12/08 03:27 PM
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Re: Antihistorians in action
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SoSick
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04/13/08 09:52 PM
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Re: RN still unconnected
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CTD
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04/02/08 05:59 PM
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Re: RN still unconnected
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SoSick
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04/02/08 06:02 PM
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Re: RN still unconnected
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CTD
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04/02/08 06:52 PM
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T.H.Huxley
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SoSick
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04/03/08 04:22 AM
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CTD
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04/02/08 05:16 PM
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Huxley to Lankester to Marx
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CTD
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06/07/08 05:11 AM
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Re: Racism and Darwin
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LinearAq
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04/02/08 12:31 PM
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Re: Racism and Darwin
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Kitsune
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04/02/08 11:19 AM
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Re: Racism and Darwin
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LinearAq
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04/02/08 12:29 PM
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Re: To the subject
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SoSick
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04/01/08 09:25 PM
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Re: Far afield
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CTD
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06/24/08 05:24 AM
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Re: Far afield
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Russ
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07/10/08 11:02 PM
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Karl Pearson
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CTD
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04/27/08 08:13 AM
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Re: Far afield
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LinearAq
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05/07/08 08:39 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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passw0rd
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04/14/08 07:31 AM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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passw0rd
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04/14/08 07:42 AM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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SoSick
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04/01/08 01:43 PM
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Another branch
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CTD
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04/01/08 02:58 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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SoSick
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04/01/08 06:01 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 06:34 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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SoSick
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04/01/08 07:05 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 07:30 PM
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Congratulation!!!!
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LinearAq
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03/28/08 03:07 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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04/27/08 01:35 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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Bex
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04/27/08 09:03 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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04/27/08 11:04 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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Bex
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04/27/08 11:22 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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04/28/08 01:00 AM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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SoSick
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04/28/08 01:17 AM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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Bex
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04/28/08 01:18 AM
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D to the Dick
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SoSick
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04/28/08 04:30 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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SoSick
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04/28/08 05:00 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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Bex
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04/28/08 05:47 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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SoSick
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04/28/08 06:07 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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CTD
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04/28/08 06:40 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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Kitsune
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04/28/08 09:53 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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Bex
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04/28/08 10:31 AM
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These people and their machinations!
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CTD
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04/28/08 09:56 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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CTD
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04/28/08 05:46 AM
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More Open Conspiracy Evidence
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CTD
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05/07/08 06:28 PM
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Re: More Open Conspiracy Evidence
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Kitsune
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05/07/08 07:51 PM
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Ice Age Players
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CTD
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05/10/08 02:30 PM
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Re: Ice Age Players
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CTD
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05/10/08 03:12 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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03/27/08 07:56 AM
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Denial & Follow-up
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CTD
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03/28/08 06:09 PM
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Re: Denial & Follow-up
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Kitsune
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03/28/08 07:30 PM
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A mild surprise
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CTD
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01/22/09 02:18 AM
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Fatherly Advice
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CTD
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04/03/09 09:27 PM
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Re: Fatherly Advice
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CTD
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04/04/09 12:07 AM
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Re: A mild surprise
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CTD
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04/04/09 12:27 PM
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Re: A mild surprise
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CTD
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04/05/09 02:54 AM
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X Club may still be around
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CTD
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04/16/09 06:01 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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10/29/09 01:07 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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