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problem is, we are currently discussing Darwin's writings and your examples do not apply.


Two things here.

First, I was showing you why your comment about evolution causing all your perceived ills of the modern world is as much of a baseless fallacy as the other examples I listed. Variation in species over time has nothing to do with porn, homosexuality, abortion or the other things fundamentalists don't seem to like. You can throw as much mud at it as you like but it's not going to stick until you start supplying some concrete evidence.

Second, why are you discussing Darwin's writings? Because you want to imply that he was racist and so therefore the ToE must be racist. As LinearAQ pointed out to you, this is nothing but an ad hominem attack intended to draw attention away from the science of evolution. You cannot make a case for the ToE being racist in itself because it's impossible, so you've decided to try to smear its inventor instead. This mud isn't going to stick either.

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Maybe you haven't noticed but we are not discussing the fossil record here.


You've missed the major point here. You commented that the ToE is unscientific. I was showing you how it is because it follows the scientific method, and then I explained how it does so. Like I said, I wouldn't use CTD's issue-dodging techniques as a model to follow.

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Quite a marriage you have with that talkorigins website, Linda.

It's very confusing over there. Do you have anything more substantial?


You stated that the ToE is untested and unproved. I linked you to a site which gives detailed evidence to the contrary. If you want to pick one piece of that evidence and discuss it I'm fine with that.

If TalkOrigins confuses you, then I suggest you start on this simple and clear page: An Index to Creationist Claims. By the way, I look at websites run by your side too. I was reading at answersingenesis this morning about how creationists have a preconceived belief that the Bible is literally true in every regard, so all evidence must be interpreted in that light because anything else is unacceptable. I read an article by a creationist astronomer who said he was finding difficulty explaining stellar evolution in terms of young-earth creationism, but he was going to keep trying and he was open to suggestions. Mine would be to act like a proper scientist and approach the evidence with an open mind (science) rather than preconceived ideas (dogmatism). I read other things too which didn't check out with the facts but it's interesting to see what they are telling people.

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Maybe you haven't noticed but we are not discussing genetics in this conversation.


Again, this is relevant to how evolution fits with the scientific method. You claimed that it was unscientific. This is some evidence to the contrary.

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find me a scientist that bases scientific research on Darwinian ideas of evolution in regard to humankind, savages and inferior races


Evolution describes how life on earth has changed over time. It's got nothing to do with these things. You don't seem to want to accept that evolution and genetics have actually shown that all humans are members of one species, presumably because it doesn't chime with your claims of how evil it all is.

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there was too much chatter trying to convince me why the so called studies were true. Real science Linda, studies, abstracts, conclusions. Period.


Prediction 5:1 -- Genetic Change. "Extremely extensive genetic change has been observed, both in the lab and in the wild . . ." {Futuyma 1998, pp. 267-271, 283-294).

Prediction 5:2 -- Morphological (shape) Change. "Macroevolution requires that organisms' morphologies have changed throughout evolutionary history; thus, we should observe morphological change and variation in modern populations. There have been numerous observations of morphological change in populations of organisms . . ." (Endler 1986, Barsh 1996, Houde 1988, Morton 1990, Johnston and Selander 1973, Futuyma 1998).

The explanations and citations are all there, for everything discussed. Obviously I can't give all the abstracts and summaries, but if you want to pick one individual topic to discuss then we can. I linked you to that site to show you that yes, evidence for evolution exists and yes, evolution is scientific. If you'd like to learn more about these things then all you need to do is click on a subject there.

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So why did Darwin?


So why did Henry Morris? This is irrelevant.

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Hitler was into mysticism he based somewhat on his knowledge of the bible, which may or may not have been accurate.


So yes, you seem to be confirming that the fact that Hitler believed in God and the Bible does not mean the rest of us have to condemn those things as evil. That he might have twisted them to his own ends. Ditto with evolution, or anything else he espoused. Making comparisons with Hitler is the oldest trick in the book.

Again, though, the heart of the matter here seems to be an attempt to falsify evolution by smearing Darwin. You could paint him to be the most horrendously objectionable person in the world but it would not change what the ToE is or what it says. It does not validate racism or any other behaviour exhibited by people; nor does it remove the responsibility for all of them to behave morally towards their fellow humans, which we all have the capability of doing regardless of what our origins are.