I just thought people might be interested to hear Andy's view on the symptoms associated with either Brain or body mercury:

Endocrine problems, especially poor stress tolerance: brain.

Emotional volatility, difficulty teling what people are about: brain

Difficutly getting along with people, attention deficit: brain

Brain fog is about 70/30 body/brain. Mostly it does go away even without
brain detox.

Yeast is actually a brain related problem (it is controlled by inadequate
hormone levels, especially hydrocortisone) and while it improves with body
detox, it doesn't go away until the brain is cleared if it is a real bad
case.

Allergies, food sensitivities, chemical sensitivities do mostly go away
with body detox.

Fibromyalgia seems to be mostly body tox. Chronic fatigue seems to be about
70/30 body/brain.

Andy Cutler

thanks for that Bex. In that case, I am definitely a head case <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> and have at least 2 years ALA chelation ahead. Haven't even started on the ALA yet.

This is such a long process.

Nicola

Hi, y/w <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Yeah unfortunately I think I too am a headcase! I never really used brain chelating agents in my years of mercury detox. I just assumed once I felt better, it mean I was home free.

But now I wonder (since getting all these other things that went wrong later which I cannot heal from).....perhaps I too could do with a trial of ALA. I'm concerned because of a recent dental visit, which has repoisoned me again (from office vapor). So trying to give enough time before trying ALA. I don't want to re-deposit more into my brain.

Certainly my symptoms indicate there may well be brain mercury that was never chelated out. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Yes Bex, AI says you will never get well if you don't use ALA. I believe many get well without LA but many of the bad cases won't.

Here is a testimonial from the noamalgam.com website:

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had a history of depression and other health problems. Then my mouth started to come apart - bleeding gums and all kinds of problems that had an oral surgeon ready cut. I was on my way to losing my teeth just like my sister had.

Luckily I heard about amalgam (mercury) poisoning before the surgeon got to me. In 1993 I replaced my fillings and crowns with mercury free materials. My buccal pockets and gums healed immediately and the oral surgeon was forced to remove me from his list.

Over the next seven years despite having eliminated mercury exposure from my mouth, I developed chronic fatigue syndrome (CFIDS), candida overgrowth, Hashimoto's thyroiditis, and was even diagnosed with multiple sclerosis (MS) by brain MRI. Later, a spinal tap showed that I did not have multiple sclerosis, but I continued to suffer from symptoms of the disease, like numbness and tingling of the arms and legs, rapid heartbeat, and head tremors and twitches. I didn't know that those disorders were related to the mercury in my body that had leached from my teeth and into my body and brain.

In those seven years following my amalgam removal, mercury levels in my urine and blood dropped from "off the charts" to near zero. But the symptoms were worsening. Constant pressure in the brain, numbness and tingling in the extremities, rapid heart beat, complete constipation, high cholesterol, high H-Pylori titers, low thyroid, low blood pressure, chronic fatigue, brain fog, cognitive/memory problems documented by neuropsychological testing, and on and on. I was so sick that I could no longer work.

Then I finally learned about the metabolism of mercury. Dr. Cutler's book explains how once in my brain, the mercury just wasn't going to come out by itself. And mercury in the brain doesn't only cause neurological symptoms - but since the brain controls hormones and the immune system, everything in the body can be effected from having mercury in the brain. And everything WAS coming apart!

Dr. Cutler's book doesn't stop after telling you how terribly poisoned you could be by dental fillings; it actually tells you how to get the mercury out of your brain and get well. Dr. Cutler not only studied American medical journals to formulate this protocol, but overseas medical journals as well. He shows you how to safely remove mercury from your body and brain using alpha lipoic acid, an over-the-counter antioxidant.

The most important things to remember about chelating with lipoic acid are to (1) go slowly and (2) to take the doses (25 mg to 120 mg according to tolerance) every 3 to 4 hours around the clock. Dr. Cutler explains how this method keeps the blood levels of lipoic acid stable in order to move the Hg from the brain and eliminate it, not merely redistribute it to other places.

Most of the neurological symptoms I've suffered from are gone now. They don't come and go; they are just gone. The rapid heart beat stopped, along with the numbness and tingling of the extremities, and the tremor and twitches in my head. My blood pressure has come up from 70/40 to 120/80 - perfectly normal. My cholesterol has dropped from 305 to 240. My facial color is no longer ghastly white, but rather a normal and natural color. H-Pylori titers (a bacteria associated with peptic ulcers and cancer) have gone from 6 plus to 1.37 without medication.

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I believe an other reason why you did not heal is that you still had amalgam pieces hidden under your composites....

From that Bex, I must conclude that I am mostly body mercury toxic with a some brain, but mostly body. Which may explain my low tolerance to DMSA????

A fine post Bg123. Good research and a good reminder ALA is essential to get better.

for me its all in my head!
I may have had a few body symptoms in the past but didnt bother me much.
My liver is alot better, no more pain there, i put that down to diet, coffee enemas and lots of milk thistle.

Thanks for that post Bg. I believe personally that everybody should do ALA chelation, even if they "think" they are well just by body chelation. I made that mistake, and what happens in the future when you get hit by something like I did (virus) and then completely plummet, only to find yourself with mercury symptoms again? Here is something else. Please excuse the personal nature of this, but I'm going to say it. I spent years with discolouration in the genital area (where it should be pink). So bad in fact, it looked like tattooing! It was a metallic dark grey. I considered it must be just "me" (some weird quirk) WRONG.

Once I had amalgams out and years of chelation, I started to feel well again and the discolouration was fading. In fact, it was almost gone and back to pink again. Well, hows this for weird. As soon as I got hit by viral infection and other issues, can someone explain to me how the discolouration manages to come back? Only worse? This by the way is one of the hallmarks of a mercury toxic person. Men can get this too in the same area. Grey discolouration in the genital area (where it should be pink). It's a bit like what people get on their gums. Pretty much the same.

Basically either the mercury still in me began to then to re-poison me, becuase I was now no longer as strong to rise above it (due to virus). Or susequent exposures from any dental office visits or simply any mercury at all environmnetaly, poisoned me easily due to lack of resistance? Whatever the reason, it's back and bad. This only happened after I got ill by the virus and other issues. I'd hazard a guess and say that I was still poisoned all that time, but was much stronger against it (so I thought), but obviously due to still having mercury, it put me in a vulnerable position to catch a virus like this and remain ill from then on.

So that tells me, I need to chelate! This is why I would warn anybody of stopping chelation too soon, or avoiding brain chelation because they feel well. I still believe there can be much more mercury leftover that you may not be aware of. Even andy says you should chelate for about a year or more AFTER you "feel" well, to avoid future problems that the still unchelated mercury be wind up causing.


That maybe so bg. Possible, but it is a bit weird that I had the dumping of mercury stage happened to me (which only occurs after all amalgams are gone) and odd that I was healing after years of chelation (no regressing either) and the tattoed area was becoming pink.....so not sure about that. But perhaps the tiny fragment was still enough to be a much bigger issue than I realise. Certainly I have noticed zero difference from having it completely removed. The recent dental office visits have indeed repoisoned me and I'm feeling it alot.

There are some people who genuinely maybe only body poisoned who may find that DMSA chelation may do enough or even natural methods. But I thought I was one of those too because I felt better, but in retrospect, obviously I was much more poisoned than I thought and needed to chelate organs/brain. It also tells me that dental offices are full of mercury vapor and visiting them for any reason, for some of us, can result in repoisning and long term consequences.

Hi Sunshine, likely at the moment. If the DMSA is causing enough symptoms now, then yeah you probably have significant body/blood mercury. However, once you start feeling better from DMSA, you may still have some brain/organ mercury there that would be wise to chelate in case, so that it doesn't cause future problems for you. I think I had much more than I realised. And to continue doing it regardless of how well you may feel.

I also still had the strange shyness and tendency to withdraw, even though I felt healthier and happier, those tendencies remained. That too is a sign of mercury and possibly brain mercury too! I just didn't recognise it.

Yeah, I sure do feel the dmsa, even at the low dose of 6mg. I’m gonna stick at that level for now. I have tried going longer than 3-4 days but I start feeling it too much. 3 days on 4 days off is fine for me now.

– yeah…my hair test showed up mercury at 4.1 in the high red zone…that was 6 months after that first amalgam removal without protection……I got a big Hg dose then…..<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

I’m having a week off chelation this week as I am over doing the detoxing. The bowel cleanse continues to clean me out good and proper and I had a sore throat and a cough. Mild, but the first I have had in about 1 year. Is it a healing crisis?...i hope so….the cold is mostly gone now and iu have been feeling really great ….until the Q-link knocked me for six today<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" /><img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

Looks like you gonna have to do some ala. At least you can handle dmsa without hardly any symptoms (or is it no symptoms…I can’t remember), which means when you do try ala, you can take nice big doses of dmsa as part of the mop up operation.

Remember to start on low low dose of ALA.

If I where you I would avoid all dental offices forever….if you can. I want to avoid them forever and I floss twice a day just to be sure I never have to go back. If I do have to go back at least I will have done all I could not to.

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Yeah, the problem with me is, I didn't have a hair test at the time of amalgams, or the time right afterwards, so only a very small level showed up. Whether or not that level was accurate, didn't matter. I was poisoned either way. Poisoned by small levels is possible for some people. Depends what you're tolerance level is. That too can depend on immune status and other issues. E.g. my virus, made me poisoned to the remaining mercury!

E.g. another guy I know, got poisoned by his amalgams only after an accident to his gut! Suddenly he's got amalgam toxicity. Before that? No symptoms were noticeable. Didn't mean he wasn't being poisoned before (gradually), but it probably meant his system had more strength against it. The accident was the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. This is why sometimes even healthy people may do well to remove amlagams to avoid something like that happening. The body can handle quite a bit, but it cannot juggle too much at onetime. Something usually gives way.

Yeah, I do need chelation Sunshine. No doubt about it. The iodine has moved the mercury around and I feel it strongly. Perhaps the DMSA will be more effective now that the mercury seems a bit more mobilised. If I was to do it, I'd do DMSA again by itself for a few days and check reactions. If nothing, I'd probably take it with ALA. However, I'd have to take the DMSA non stop for about 4 days because it can take sometime before symptoms OR improvements are noted. I'm just not poisoned ENOUGH in those areas to where reactions occur rapidly, it takes time before anything is noticeable. It used to happen pretty quick, after a day. But I also got well quicker with DMSA when the mercury was more accessible.

Yes, I hope to avoid dental office visits if I can for years to come (hoping). I do what I can (as you do) in taking care of my teeth. I now brush with colgate total plus toothpaste, because it seems to work better than anything else I've used (including natural stuff that really didn't seem to do much). I floss at night. Plus once a week I use sea salt and baking soda, as dry as I can to do a scrub of my teeth to help get rid of any stains/build up. Only when I need to though. Usually the toothpaste keeps most of it at bay. It's not ideal obviously, but neither is getting repoisoned and trying to recover for many months afterwards. I cannot live my life like this. Check up at dental office, months of being chronically ill, only to find I need to go again for the next check up. Or spend a lot of money to try and chelate permanently. And that's exactly how I'd be living my life.

TK on the frequent dose group has the same problem I do. He had made such good progress with chelation and one check up at the dental office, threw him back again and he had to drop the ALA and start with DMSA again until he built back up to tolerance.

I cannot understand why biologic dentists do not address this issue if they are so apparently aware of the toxicity of mercury. I am sure there is much more they could do for those of us who become poisoned by walking into any dental office, including theirs (even with the most sophisticated of extraction systems). It's far from enough. Mercury vapor wins out everytime! I should be able to get a check up and clean, without being poisoned by other people's mercury vapor!!! So should everybody else.

Anyway sorry for the lengthy post. I'm just angry over this whole thing.

Your low dose chelating is wise sunshine, you're chelating at the dose and days your body can "just" handle without forcing a backfire on yourself in the hopes that speeding it up will get you there faster. When so often it causes one to get worse and then wait till they recover before they can even chelate again.

Bex, where did you get the Cutler quotes at the top of this thread? What page in AI?

Think I will dig into this a bit more.

Cheers

It's not in AI. You can find Cutler's posts with the onibasu.com search engine.

Hi Sunshine, click on this link http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html#mercury_effects

Then click on the title "effects of mercury toxicity" and it will take you straight to the part on the list where you should see - 1668 symptoms of mercury in brain vs in body (2nd line under title).

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