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I dontknow why you all worry...amalgam means a compound which is stable...its like water is made up of elemental hydrogen and elemental oxygen and both are very dangerous on their own you would die drinking it but together it forms water..

its like the combination of the amalgams once its formed its stable and significantly their is no scientific evidence...they have done all the testing to prove it but to no avail why?

Where is the evidence of it going into the blood or the cells? they even did an autopsy of someone who died and had 15 amalgams and they couldnt pick up any traces of mercury in the brain or gut...
the heavy metal tests are fake too...they arent always relaible ad the hair test is just weird? You all really need to deal with your emotional problems so you can really get better.

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what are u doing here james?

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What a strange post? Have you been hijacked?


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I they even did an autopsy of someone who died and had 15 amalgams and they couldnt pick up any traces of mercury in the brain or gut...

not true, the higher the number of amalgam fillings the higher the brain mercury. It is also well known that blood mercury levels drop significantly 9 months after removal.

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James, make sure that places like Sweden and Germany realise that mercury in amalgam is safe and ask why they've banned it. Some areas that haven't banned it are apparently required by law to put up warning posters re the mercury in amalgam fillings been known to cause reproductive and birth problems, so they'll probably need your expertise opinion also.

The post you typed is actually unnecessary and pretty insulting to every member on this forum. Then you type another post asking for a good UK dentist to get your amalgams replaced....? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/looney.gif" alt="" />

mercury can readily come off out of fillings because we are talking about quick silver. It vaporises readily, and only requires some extra heat and stimulation for that to increase much more. Even in small amounts, some more sensitive people are easily affected. It is also accummulative, so can build up over time. I'd say the closest metal to causing symptoms like mercury would be copper.

Amalgam toxicity doesn't usually happen immediately and often takes many years before symptoms show. By that time, even if the person does have their amalgams removed, they are usually on a low painful journey chelating the metals out of their tissues/organs. I've been there, I know what it's like. I could taste the metal, smell it on me when I sweated. I was swollen in the body tissues from toxins. I don't care if it was mercury, copper, tin or the lot.

All of those things eventually left me when I had amalgams removed and chelated the mercury. It took a few years for that to be completed.

By the way, your story on the autospy? Funny that, there was another one about a guy who had mercury poisoning severely. He was on chelation therapy and it had been thought that enough mercury would have been removed. Sadly, after he died and autopsy was done and his body was found to still be full of mercury...

anybody hear about the animal studies they did by filling teeth of sheep? And later finding the mercury in the organs and tissues.

The ADA and those who believe them, will follow any story about amalgam being safe and then insult anybody who is suffering from this condition as though it's all in their mind. I remind you that this is a support forum for amalgam fillings and mercury poisoning, not to get on here and call people's problems emotional, when clearly they are not.

PS, mercury testing is often difficult to interpret, as mercury is often tightly bound in the tissues/organs/brain. Other metals are much more easily detected and usually far easier to eliminate from the system. Mercury is different. The sickest patients are often the ones showing the lowest levels. Retaining it, rather than readily eliminating it. In those cases, one would like to see higher levels on testing as time goes on with chelation. Which can show it's then coming out. For those with retention toxicity, this is a challenge as people like this usually hang onto it, which is why they probably got sick in the first place.

Read this link re someone on this very forum, having what appears to be successful testing
http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...=5&o=&fpart=1#Post250959


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James, make sure that places like Sweden and Germany realise that mercury in amalgam is safe and ask why they've banned it.


This is not true, germany has not banned it. and sweden is considering a ban but it is still allowed.... I am not aware of any nation that has banned mercury fillings but i would like to hear if there is a nation where it is NOT used or banned. Please post the info here. Even in saudi arabia mercury fillings are used <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

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Other Countries Have Banned Amalgams

On February 18, 1994, the Swedish government banned silver "mercury" amalgam as a dental filling material .

The ban was based on research demonstrating that the risks to dental patients' health and the risks to the environment were too great.

In February 1992, the German Federal Department of Health banned the sale and manufacture of one type of amalgam because of the health risks from mercury. A second type was restricted a short time later. In December 1993, the largest manufacturer of dental amalgam in Germany discontinued production of amalgam. In 1994, the German Federal Department of Health advised against using amalgam in all women of childbearing age. Later that year, the German Federal Registry of Dentists requested that amalgam be banned.

Austria, Denmark and Finland plan to stop the use of dental mercury. Why is the United States not among the countries acting on this important health issue?

Taken from http://www.mercury-free.com/8.htm

Recent thread on here discussing the Sweden ban/extended ban
http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Yes, by law in some places they do in fact have a sign up warning people about mercury.

Unfortunately in my country, we have no such bans, or even considerations towards it. However, we must also ask something. Why would dentists who have been in the business for 25+ years admit to the dangers of this stuff and switch to biologic dentistry?

Now, are these people liars? Are they morons?

At any rate, as you can see by the top poster, he's behaving as though this stuff isn't a problem (ADA stance). This is in actual fact belittling the victims of amalgam poisoning, of which there are appear to be quite a few and making out that we're disallusioned, confused or suffering from emotional problems, this includes the places banned or banning the stuff, plus the biologic dentists as well.


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Depression and amalgam fillings

FORT COLLINS, COLORADO. There is some evidence that people with dental amalgam fillings are more likely to suffer from depression than are people without such fillings. Now researchers at the Rocky Mountain Research Institute report that removal of amalgam fillings can markedly improve the symptoms of manic-depressive illness (bipolar disorder). Their study involved 20 patients who had been diagnosed with manic-depressive illness. All the patients had amalgam fillings (an average of 10 fillings each). The concentration of mercury in the mouth was measured at the start of the study and was found to increase almost 300 per cent after chewing gum for 10 minutes. Other research has shown that 75 per cent or more of the mercury vapor released by chewing is inhaled into the lungs where it enters the blood stream and subsequently passes into the brain. Eleven of the patients were assigned to have all their mercury fillings removed and were also given multi-vitamins and antioxidants to help chelate and remove the mercury released during the dental work. The remaining nine patients had a sealant placed over their fillings and were told that this sealant would prevent mercury from being released from their fillings. In actual fact there was no evidence that it would do so. The control group patients were given a supplemental vitamin and mineral tablet. The patients all completed various questionnaires designed to evaluate their mental health before and six to eight months after treatment. It was very clear that the patients who had had their amalgam fillings removed had improved very significantly in such important parameters as anxiety, depression, paranoia, hostility, and obsessive compulsive behaviour. Some of the patients were able to discontinue their lithium medication after amalgam removal. The researchers caution that their study was relatively small and urge large scale clinical trials to validate their findings.
Siblerud, Robert L., et al. Psychometric evidence that dental amalgam mercury may be an etiological factor in manic depression. Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine, Vol. 13, No. 1, First Quarter 1998, pp. 31- 40
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Dental alloys affect cellular energy production

NOTE: We usually do not report test tube or animal experiments, but thought we would make an exception in this case. The findings that commonly used dental alloys may interrupt the normal function of human cells is a first and could have wide-ranging effects.

BIRMINGHAM, ALABAMA. Although nickel is known to be carcinogenic in humans it is still widely used in certain dental alloys. Researchers at the University of Alabama now report that other components of dental alloys (beryllium, chromium, and molybdenum) as well as nickel affect the very basic function of human cells - the production of energy (ATP). ATP is produced in the mitochondria of cells and involves highly oxidative processes. It is becoming increasingly clear that abnormalities in the mitochondrial processes are important causes of human disease. Some researchers believe that a slowing down of these processes actually heralds the very first stage in the proliferation of abnormal cells and cancer.
The Alabama researchers exposed cultures of human gingival (gum) cells to solutions of nickel, beryllium, chromium (tri- and hexavalent) and molybdenum (hexavalent) for periods of 24 and 72 hours. They then measured the energy production and oxygen consumption of the cells' mitochondria in the various solutions. Cells in contact with nickel or hexavalent chromium were most affected and showed decreased ATP (energy) production as well as a decrease in oxygen consumption. The effects of beryllium, molybdenum, and trivalent chromium were similar, but less pronounced. The researchers conclude that their findings may be the first indication that some components of common dental alloys may be detrimental to human health. They urge further research to establish possible synergisms between mixtures of these different metals on mitochondrial energy production. [54 references]
Messer, R.L.W., et al. An investigation of fibroblast mitochondria enzyme activity and respiration in response to metallic ions released from dental alloys. J Biomed Mater Res, Vol. 50, 2000, pp. 598- 604


Last edited by bg123; 02/20/08 08:22 PM.
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Thanks for that bg. And may I add these two links that Russ has already provided on the top part of the forum clearly for all to see, which appear to have been overlooked or perhaps ignored by the top poster.

smoking tooth (contains link to video).
http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

How Mercury Causes Brain Neuron Degeneration (video)
http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

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"You all really need to deal with your emotional problems so you can really get better."

Hahaha .... this post is absolutely hilarious!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hehehe.gif" alt="" /> There is only one poster here with an emotional problem ... called denial.

Sorry to be so rude, but really....

Nicola

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JamesL…….whatsup dude? You where full of fine words of wisdom, then you come out with some seriously strange comments on this thread?

When I first arrived on this forum there was a load of very strange goings-on. Lots of strange anonymous posters posting exactly this type of codswallop. To me, it seemed like it was designed specifically to enrage anyone who thought they might be mercury toxic. Designed specifically to kill off the forum. Rude and insulting posts where flying all over the place and many people got very angry, very insulted, many people never returned.

It was very Lord of the Flies, with insults coming in left, right and center. A very unfriendly environment to try and get well again. It was a strange time. I remember avoiding these posts like the plague. In fact I made it a rule never to reply to any “Anons” because it was just crazy.

Then Russ changed the rules, Anon’s could not post anymore and it was as if a storm had blown over…suddenly all was calm. The insults stopped overnight and the result is as you see the forum now. Mostly toxic people healing, struggling, learning & helping.

At that time I felt that the forum was targeted by someone.

Now…..we have JamesL…totally out of the blue, spouting derisory posts.

Very strange…indeed.


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This post is strange and I know for a fact that I am getting better just since removal 10 months ago and I have not even began chelation yet. Really weird this post. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/kookoo.gif" alt="" />


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James, see a doctor.

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Non scientific conjecture based on pure fiction with weak analogies that don't apply.

Amalgams on their own should theoretically be stable, but when they put it together in your mouth, unless it is done by robots there is always leakage and the materials are poison released into your system. Obviously some people are more symptomatic than others

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Well, I'm sure you guys have seen James' other post. You were right Sunshine, he was in a sense "hyjacked". His brother typed that first post, because he thinks James is wasting his time on amalgam removal and doesn't believe in it.

Anyway James, again sincere apologies, take all our responses as being directed at your brother! Not that he's interested. Can you change your password or something? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Because I would!


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when I saw that post of yours my first thought was that it was strange and that someone could have hijacked it from you, but I decided to post anyway.

sorry about it james.

ps. say 'hi' from me to your brother and u can tell him that whataver hhis beliefs about amalgams are, he acted ike a brat hijacking your account.


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