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Since having my amalgams removed often experience a strange feeling like my body is producing way to much adrenaline for no reason.
I do feel very irritable and a bit anxious , have heart palpitations, and feel like my body is exploding. Often I am not anxious when i experience this but feel very very unconfortable.
I believe that it started shortly i did inapproriate chelation with cilantro way too early. I think i redistributed mercury thats why i am always worried that i could have caused damage.
Maybe it has nothing to do with that and just a sign that the body is detoxing....
The interesting thing is that when i experience this i am usually not really depressed. That doesn't mean i am happy - it feels awful - but at least i am not severly depressed....
What do you think???
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Hi bg,
Boy I can so relate to what you describe! I've had these symptoms off and on before I had my amalgams removed in 2006 as well as after.
I was diagnosed with hypoadrenia, which is adrenal exhaustion. My adrenal glands are not able to produce the amount of cortisol that is needed for my body. I evidently had this condition before my amalgam removal, but it was not diagnosed until afterwards. I'm now being treated for it. And it does help reduce the episodes.
In addition, I found out a few months ago that I've had Lyme Disease and some Lyme Disease Co-infections (bartonella, mycoplasma is what's been found so far). The Bartonella infection in particular is known to cause episodes of anxiety, panic, palpitations and tachycardia. I've had these infections for years and they had gone undiagnosed.
Anyway, I'm just sharing my experience. I suppose lots of things can cause panic/anxiety/palpitations/tachycardia -- ranging from toxicities, vitamin/enzyme/mineral deficiencies, an undiagnosed cardiac problem, to existing infections.
It really takes detective work to try and get to the bottom of everything!
I sure am glad that the doctors insisted on testing my adrenal gland and thyroid gland function though. That was a significant piece of the puzzle for me.
Metals can be very hard on the endocrine system and alot of times it does need support because of this.
Hope this helps.
Sharon
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You mean this got worsed after removal? how are you treating your adrenals now?
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Yes I have had this too and didn't know whether it was the adrenaline from the loads of local anasethetic I had or what had happened to me.
AT any rate, because of it, it destroyed a relationship I had. I became nothing more than a frightened rabbit, terrified of talking, terrified of my own thoughts. The list goes on.
It came after dental work, not amalgam removal. However, exposure to mercury vapor in the office could have also done this. Whatever it was, I was changed.
I managed to calm this down later with a candida diet (sticking to it). But it is still somehow "there". I feel it's toxins and the body's inability to cope with them as they mess up even normal responses. Even at rest you can be a wreck.
Diet was the only thing that took the edge of this, plus proper safe chelation too. I used the Andrew Hall Cutler one (DMSA, every 4 hours around the clock). I did it 3 days or more when I could handle it.
Anything else just made matters worse and I would not advocate using stuff that can shift the mercury into your brain and nervous system. particularly if you are like me and cannot excrete what has been pulled out. Taking DMSA the way I took it ensures more certainty that the mercury is being escorted OUT, rather than moved all over the place.
I needed the diet to allow yeast levels to drop, so that less toxins were messing me up. Plus to allow more nutrient absorption which allowed a bit more balance to come in.
It is a horrible and frightening way to feel. I know it well. I feel like it's there brimming underneath always and I am often fearful of facing or talking to other people. That depends on how well I am eating and how LONG I've been sticking to the diet too.
My system is that unstable.
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hi bg, No I can't honestly say that the symptoms we share got worse necessarily after removal. They were still there. Removing my amalgams got rid of other symptoms and illnesses for me though (i.e., chronic epstein barr virus). But, as I said, I did have adrenal exhaustion before removal but I didn't know it. Since the Lyme Disease and Bartonella infections have become more severe in me, I've noticed an increase in the panic/anxiety/tachycardia issues despite treating the adrenals. My adrenals are being treated now with a medication called Cortef. It's a bio-identical form of cortisol and I'm taking it in very small doses called physiological doses. Just enough to replace what my body isn't making. I'm also using supplements and such to help boost my adrenals and the endocrine system. These were prescribed to me by my treating physicians as well. And I agree with Bex, a good, therapeutic diet can help with anything. I try to stick with an antifungal diet but as other illnesses have become more severe, I've had to make some changes for myself and include more complex carbs. :-( Anyway, the adrenal issue might not be applicable to you. I just thought I'd mention it in case it might be helpful. Mercury is a known endocrine system disruptor. It really does a number of the Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal axis in the body. Yesterday I posted a long article to LInda's thread on the Forum here about adrenal fatigue and function. It lists symptoms, etc. Here's the link in case you want to have a look at it: http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...&sb=5&o=&fpart=1I've written some about adrenals in the past and posted some articles and there are some threads here on the forum about it. Also Imegha here on the Forum has also posted excellent information on the subject. I hope you start to feel better soon! Sharon
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Only one time did I have heart palpitations. I wound up getting all these heart tests and, in hindsight, what a waste! It was the mercury! They found nothing with those tests.
I had irritability for many months, with periods of anxiety here and there. The way I controlled these best was exercise (running and lifting, but running helps more), and diet. But it should slowly go away as mercury leaves system. It can seem endless, but it CAN get better, much better.
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Me too.All of the above. Normally if I have not slept or have not been keeping blood sugar in check,or if I'm out in a large supermarket(which is rare occurance) these symptoms are more likely to appear. although sometimes it happens for no apparent reason(in that case I would suspect sensitivity to something such as electromagnetic fields,chemical/environmental problems etc this has been going on for me for years on & off. I suspect adrenal exhaustion and all kinds of imbalances, if one is out of balance,most likely other things out too...
What definitely helps is no.1 trying to keep blood sugar balanced with small regular meals&snacks,always containing something raw(fruit or veg)&with some protein getting enough rest, gentle exercise,but only when you feel strong enough, and being kind to yourself, I find this one a challenge sometimes instead of telling myself"I should be better by now!why am I still sick?"and getting really frustrated I remind myself that my body is always working to heal itself and balance out to the best of its ability and that's good enough for me.Now it's just a matter of time...
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Me too.All of the above. Normally if I have not slept or have not been keeping blood sugar in check,or if I'm out in a large supermarket(which is rare occurance) these symptoms are more likely to appear. although sometimes it happens for no apparent reason(in that case I would suspect sensitivity to something such as electromagnetic fields,chemical/environmental problems etc this has been going on for me for years on & off. I suspect adrenal exhaustion and all kinds of imbalances, if one is out of balance,most likely other things out too...
What definitely helps is no.1 trying to keep blood sugar balanced with small regular meals&snacks,always containing something raw(fruit or veg)&with some protein getting enough rest, gentle exercise,but only when you feel strong enough, and being kind to yourself, I find this one a challenge sometimes instead of telling myself"I should be better by now!why am I still sick?"and getting really frustrated I remind myself that my body is always working to heal itself and balance out to the best of its ability and that's good enough for me.Now it's just a matter of time...
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Me too.All of the above. Normally if I have not slept or have not been keeping blood sugar in check,or if I'm out in a large supermarket(which is rare occurance) these symptoms are more likely to appear. although sometimes it happens for no apparent reason(in that case I would suspect sensitivity to something such as electromagnetic fields,chemical/environmental problems etc this has been going on for me for years on & off. I suspect adrenal exhaustion and all kinds of imbalances, if one is out of balance,most likely other things out too...
What definitely helps is no.1 trying to keep blood sugar balanced with small regular meals&snacks,always containing something raw(fruit or veg)&with some protein getting enough rest, gentle exercise,but only when you feel strong enough, and being kind to yourself, I find this one a challenge sometimes instead of telling myself"I should be better by now!why am I still sick?"and getting really frustrated I remind myself that my body is always working to heal itself and balance out to the best of its ability and that's good enough for me.Now it's just a matter of time...
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Someday soon, what kind of test revealed the hypoadrenia?
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I too experienced those things and was able to improve the symptoms with magnesium, but then my body just couldn't take any chelation and I went back down again. I had the 4x cortisol saliva test done and it reveled the hypoadrenia.
Different things can cause hypoadrenia or make it worse. I think that I have genetically weak adrenals. Also, candidia and mercury can really be hard on them.
I take nutrients for my adrenals-magnesium, vitamin C and pantothenic acid. I also now take Isocort a natural cortex replacement because my corisol levels are so low.
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Adrenaline rushes = low adrenals. When your adrenals don't produce enough cortisol, for example to maintain blood sugar, they produce adrenaline. This brings up blood sugar, just like cortisol, but it is a last-ditch, crisis move by the adrenals / liver, and very stressful to the whole body. It is also deeply unpleasant - that sudden rush of fear / fright.
Look carefully at your diet to avoid sugar highs and lows, which stress the adrenals. Sounds like you could do with adrenal / thyroid testing to see if you need to support them. Low adrenals and / or thyroid will make you anxious and give you palpitations.
Best
Nicola
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I looked abit around on this forum, but could not find any posts written about high histamine and adrenaline. It is well known that high histamine causes adrenaline rushes, because adrenaline is the only thing that quickly clears excessive levels of histamine. High histamine must be common among mercury toxic people, and it causes allergies and skin rashes. Skin rashes were infact the very first symptom I got. I can also remember the adrenaline rushes, feeling stressed and the itching on skin. There is some indication that the toxic acetaldehyde that the candida produces can trigger excess histamine production, and so can mercury too. This may be enough to explain the stress on the adrenals. What is even more surprising and important is that histamine released into the synapses is broken down by acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, and this channel is definitely stressed if you have lots of candida toxins around (acetaldehyde, metallic taste..). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HistamineMethionine could help with this (breaks down histamine) ,and anti-histamine medications seems like a bad idea. To support the acetaldehyde dehydrogenase, my old suggestion is still B5 (lots of it) + molybdenum (this worked out just very well for me). Folic acid should be avoided with high histamine, but I didn't notice any bad reactions from that. One can also try L-carnosine, as it may affect the histamine status, because carnosine breaks down to histidine, and may increase histamine (which is not what you want). I got hives from 100 mg of L-carnosine, which is not a normal thing to occur, but I'm not sure if this was a good or bad reaction (should it be avoided or not), because histamine is also known to be released when excess toxins are cleared out.
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NAC gave me heart palpitations. I can only use it a little bit now and then.
Depends on your age I suppose too.. the EDTA chelation is well known for helping to unclog arteries and capillaries.
I liked it a lot. every little bit helps.
Aloe seems to be pretty effective at helping clear miscellaneous toxins.
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