hey there everyone, I will need some input from you guys.

My mental state has been plummeting again the last couple of days and I believe I'm now closer than ever to being committed, esp since my family is CERTAIN it's all in my head...

So I started to research things - as limitied as it is in my state - and recalled the whole schziophrenia/niacin connection. A psychiatrist named Hoffer treated patents with schizophrenia with highd doses of niacin and the interesting connection is that most schizophrenics do not get a flushing reaction on niacin.

Now over a year, before the additional poisoning at the dental office and about a year into fighting candida I noticed I wasn't getting the flushing response from niacin anymore even if I took huge amounts of it.

While I'm not saying I am schziophrenic (not that it really mattered it's just a aname) I do have a serious brain problem like them.
Now I remember clearly 3 years ago - just at the beginning of my fight with candida - and when things still weren't that bad, that I was getting a flush response from taking niacin.

And I have wondeered since then that something must have happened druign my first year of sickness that shut dow the natural reaction to niacin, and it may be realted to my severe brain problem.

Perhaps heavy metals?

Just wanted to know guys what u think of this theory and whether it is something worth checking into. Also I'd ask everyone please to tell me if u get a niacin flushing reaction and at what dosage.

thanx
mike

i know cutler says to use "niacinamide" and not "niacin"

this bloke is on 3mg per day http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/20954

i think cutler says 1000 mg per day, but that needs checking in AI (i don't have my book here)

i just started taking it and i'm upto 400mg per day. i'm working up slowly towards 1000mg

I know that sunshine. but I'm not sure if niacinamide isn't the non flush kind of niacin, and I am specifally interested in the flush reaction with plain niacin, among people here .

Niacinamide does not cause the reaction.

Niacinamide does not cause the reaction.

hence I'm asking about niacin but thanx for this info anyway.

Jinx, you should tell your family to read this website and a few others about mercury from amalgam fillings. Many children are familiar with the fact that mercury causes psychological problems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Hatter

As for cognitive probrems, I have had some which got better or worse at times. I am still amazed by the fact that I had mercury amalgams in 24 of my teeth, and that 15 or the amalgams were quite large. I had almost all of these for over 20 years.

Perhaps you should tone down your chelation. Take it slow. There is no reason to rush it, especialy if it is causing bad side effects.How many amalgams did you have, and how long did you have them?

Hi Jinx, I have used Niacin many years ago and got the flush, but never used it since. On a candida forum I am on, the lady owner recommends niacin because it is the natural form of B3 and believes it is very good. Niacinamide is synethic.

These are the supplements she recommends and she talks a bit about Niacin:
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/supp6.php
There is plenty other very helpful advice there too. She is very clued up.

However, Andy mentions that the Niacin form of B3 may not be so great for those that have fast liver phase I (myself). Certain supplements can speed this up even more I hear. So he recommends the other form Niacinamide, which actually helps slow it down.....

It depends on your liver phases I and II perhaps, but I don't know. To be honest, I never noticed using those things like grapefruit seed extract or niacinimide (to slow down fast phase i) did much at all for me...

Again the candida forum owner recommends Niacin and if someone gets a B complex and it does not contain B3 in the natural form of this, she recommends adding niacin on its own to the B complex regime.

Also, apparently flushes from niacin can also depend on how toxic you are. IF you are really toxic, you have to start at low doses I hear to minimise reactions. It also depends on whether you have the right Niacin. Make sure it's not the "non flushing" kind!

Sorry Jinx, wish I could be more helpful.

thanx guys

it would appear bex that I am really toxic, yet I dont get any flush response at all. I'm just saying it's bad it's like my body doesnt react to a simple vitamin which means it's biochemistry must be really screwed up, and it must have happened within the last years , because I remmebe rhaving flush once.

Since flushes are a sign of detox reaction, and since i dont get any it'd mean my body cannot shed toxins.

I guess I'm just trying to find some answers.

It sounds like me Jinx. I cannot even throw up a proper healing crisis, it's like dealing with something dead/stagnant. That never used to be the case either.

So I know what you're saying. It could well be that. But again, make sure you got the flushing Niacin, not the "non flushing" kind.

I haven't tried it in years, I wonder how I'd react....

mike, your niacin may not be the flushing kind, i used solgar and got bad flushes, but strange enough, my daughter didnt get anything.

Hi Jinx
I take a 100mg every day and once in a blue moon I get the flushing. It freaks me out sometimes cause it doesn't happen that often. Takes me a minute to realize what is happening. Hope that helps.
Rachel

thanx rachel.

bex, If you ever have the chance to try niacin (flushing kind) again let me know of your reaction

dawn - nope, each time it was the same niacin, in poland we dont have the non-flushing kind , i think even the manufacturer was the same.

Hi Jinx, I will let you know should I try it again out of curiosity.

i've wondered myself why i haven't reacted to any vitamins. most people i see reacting one way or another to things they take but nothing ever happens to me. i've theorized that it's because i am so toxic or something that my body can't do anything with it. my body must not have the energy to use them. it kinda freaks me out. i've posted quite a bit about mental states too and i think my depressoin and anxiety are so bad becuase i am so toxic. it scares the hell out of me.

jinx,

i know how it is about having the stress from your family. that was one of the reasons i was hospitalized. i couldn't deal with all this and on top of it have abuse from my family. i'm not sure if your family is abusing you, but just them not believing you or validating it creates severe stress. if that happens to be one of the stressors that is pushing you over the edge(it did me), maybe they would be willing to come on here and read some posts from people. or show them the cutler book. maybe you have already tried that. i know it's easier said than done. anyways, hang in there man.

shawn

Too tired now to read the whole thread but.. I did get the flushing from 100 mg of niacin (niacinamide doesnt do it as others have said, I have tried even 2000 mg a day) but I understand that when you keep taking it, the flushing lessens until you eventually dont get it at all til you up your dosage. I remember reading about this somewhere.