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It's Jan 20, 2007, 3:30am ET Sunday morning and I was just looking at houses on line with Laura in my living room (I'm moving soon). We had to stop because we are currently getting hit so hard with chemtrail sinus burn that we had to leave the living room (yes, it's the middle of the morning). We both have headaches and are getting terrible scratchy throats, plus my sinuses are burning worse than ever before. It's unbearable.

Ironically, we have been getting hit so hard so often lately that I finally decided to move my office to the bottom floor of the house to escape the drafts of the upper floor that allow the chemtrails to cause me pain. I just finished setting my office up a couple hours ago.

[color:"brown"]I am excited to announce that today I finally got photos of what I have been suspecting has been going on all along[/color]. We have been getting sprayed during snow storms for the past several weeks. I could tell each time from the intense sinus burn but was unable to visually see the activity because of cloud cover.

Well...

We have had snow flurries for the past 24 hours straight and I have had horrible sinus burn several times throughout, but at about 3 pm this afternoon, the sky opened up suddenly (within a couple minutes) for about 45 minutes and sure enough, the sky above the cloud cover was very heavy with chemtrails. I now have pictures which I will include below that show that chemtrail spraying is occurring during completely overcast skies.

Again, I want those who have believing that this spraying activity may have some benign purpose such as reflecting light back into the atmosphere to consider why they would:

(1) spray at night, and,
(2) spray above snowstorms that have complete cloud cover, and finally,
(3) why there are harmful biological substances (molds, etc.) found in the chemtrails.

It is obvious to me that this activity it intended to make people sick and has no benign purpose whatsoever.


Here are some of the pictures I took today...


Here is a new chemtrail that was just sprayed along with an enormous amount of material covering the upper-left portion of the picture.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/wghewjdgkv.jpg">



Here are 2 relatively new trails:

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/ecebbfrdmw.jpg">



The majority of this picture is chemtrail material covering a large portion of the sky. This was taken directly over my house. Since this material was distributed about 15 minutes earlier, it is evident that spraying was in progress during the storm.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/unkmslgbim.jpg">



This is another picture over my house. You can seen huge plumes remaining from spraying within the previous 30 minutes. Remember, this picture was taken within 10 minutes after a snowstorm suddenly stopped.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/svqeqajixx.jpg">



A closeup of the previous picture.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/zuzadwodbr.jpg">



Another new chemtrail floating among older material. Again, this is just minutes after a snowstorm. They had obviously been spraying during the storm itself.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/cpixrqlcjv.jpg">



Another enormous plume falling toward a residential area:

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/faconkvgri.jpg">



A closeup of the previous picture.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/wjjtcvunij.jpg">


Last edited by Russ Tanner; 01/30/08 07:36 PM.

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Spraying was very thin Saturday. it was a beautiful day with deep dark skies.

Spraying Sunday way very light during the day and very heavy at night (after dark).

Monday was very heavy in just before noon. Spraying then stopped (the skies cleared up almost completely by mid afternoon) until about 5pm when it became very heavy again. It continues even now (9:45pm) and is very heavy. Sinuses are burning and fatigue has set in quite a bit.

Remember, chemtrails are not about solving the global warming myth as nighttime spraying is heavy is has become frequent in the past month or so.



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Spraying over the past few days has followed the usual pattern of timing:

- A couple hours before noon (10am to 12n),
- A couple hours before drive-time (3pm to 6pm),
- In the wee-hours of the morning (3am to 6am).

Today however, it has been perfectly clear and I did not spot a single chemtrail. This is been a definite pattern I have detected over the past many months: They do not spray during unusually windy days.

More to come...


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I’m not up on all this chemtrail talk and I have a couple of questions to get me started.

Do you think these chemtrails are just what is leftover from the planes burning the jet fuel? The jet fuel is full of chemicals and what floats down is what remains after burning it?

Or do you think someone is spraying chemicals in the sky for some strange purpose?


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Oh boy, Sunshine, I'm gonna let somebody else take the first stab on this here opener, an then maybe jump in, but fact is, these ain't usually commercial airlines, leastaways not til recently, most a these flights are military planes, the overall picture ain't good at all, but nothin to fear for a Jedi Knight, sure could use a few more like y'all on board.
Oh heck, gotta link ya to a kinda" Chemtrails 101" for sortin out the comparitively benign regular pollution spewin stuff from the rather more sinister agenda.
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/c...ask=view&id=76&Itemid=50
Thing is, this here is a subject that takes a lil time to digest an starts a trail of exploration I surely do wish more folks would embark on.
It's one a those subjects needin a bit ( or a lot ) a background info on to give credibility to the grand scheme some a these secret society folks have been layin down for a very long time.
Gotta say , "Zeitgeist "
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/index.html
helps in understandin the way the PTB works. Thank God most of us ain't like that , trouble is, most folks just are plain ol delighted to give their power away.
An by the way, super congrats on the new baby on board.
This is the kinda news that motivates me for fightin for a better world .
The whys an wherefors come later, gotta tell the difference first of all in the trails themselves.
Did I hear someone say bird flu?

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Thanks Elvis. I had a good read. Thanks for choosing something from England. I haven’t looked at the Zeitgeitmovie yet. Let me know how the Humaworm goes when it gets going.

<img src="http://herballure.com/ForumExtras/Images/ngtefjhvkv.jpg">

Four months to go!


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Y'all are mighty welcome, best to start with the info closer to home, ( even though it really is the same ol sheet) and from my perspective I like to leave the religion outta the issue. No offense whatsover intended.
The sonar of the nipper brought a tear to ma eye.
The miracle of life, why don't more folks treat that as sacred?
Let me know if ya need another installment on the issue.
By the way, George Lucas knew a thing or three.

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Hello Sunshine P.,

I've been studying conspiracies for about 20 years now in my spare time. Through all of the information and understanding that I have accumulated, I am not surprised that the powers-that-be (ptb) are spraying people from jets.

Contrails are extremely rare and not normally visible from the ground. On the other hand, chemtrails persist for more than 5 seconds. If you looked daily at the sky in search of contrails as you travel home from work or go to the store, you would by lucky to ever see one. Today, I see chemtrails almost daily. I have consistently watched the jets in the sky ever since my childhood fascination with them and have never seen anything like what is going on today. In all of the endless hours I have spent watching thousands of jets throughout the years, I have never ever seen a single contrail. Not one.

When you study Biblical prophecy (one of my favorite subjects), it's easy to see that these times we live in are going to get more and more difficult. In all likelihood, in your lifetime, you will asked to put a mark on your right hand or forehead. This "mark" will be required in order for you to buy or sell. This was prophesied in the Bible a long time ago as something that would take place shortly before the return of Christ.

There are numerous other prophecies that are coming true (or have in recent history) and I will be posting videos explaining some of them on this forum in the near future.

I bring this up because I have watched the zeitgeist movie a while back and—as a Bible student—recognized that it is full of disinformation outright lies as it relates to the Bible and to Christ. Their "facts" are not facts and are terribly inaccurate. It is horribly unfortunate that many will be led away from God and the freedom and personal peace that a relationship with God brings by this movie, but then again, this is just another event that marks the end of the age (not the end of the world as many people call it) that was predicted by the Bible.

"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

—Revelation 13:16-18

"And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name."

—Revelation 14:11


The Bar Code and the Mark of the Beast


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Since last Wednesday, there have been some unique patterns in chemtrail spraying.

Wednesday (Jan 30 '08) through Sunday saw zero chemtrails in the area. The air was clean and things were quite good.

Monday (Feb 4 '08) has heavy spraying for a short time in the afternoon which cleared quickly.

Tuesday (Fed 5 '08) was clear until about 3pm when we were hit so hard that by 4pm, I could hardly think from the resulting head pain. My nose was burning and my eyes were watering and it took a while to clear.

Since then, there have been a few waves of heavy spraying that have been short-lived. The continuous rain has allowed the air to clear quickly and rendered some of the ineffective, at least to some degree. Even now there is a weak but continuous burning in the air.

This is the latest and I'll will keep posting reports for beautiful Jamestown, New York on this thread.

For those visiting this thread who live in the Jamestown area, please take a look at what is being done to your air while you are working, normally just before you drive home from work:

http://urlbam.com/ha/Qz

More to come.


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Thanks guys. This gives me something to think about for sure. I have learnt a lot of strange things in the last year when I have been trying to regain my health. Strangeness surrounds me. The more I read the stranger it get. Our skies are certainly full of airplanes, certainly much more so than when I was a kid, and yeah me too, I remember seeing trails from airplanes and thinking how cool they where. Now they are common as muck.

I don’t watch so many movies on the PC as I can’t do that in the office and at home music is my accompaniment when I’m surfing. But I will try and remember and watch it some time.

I can’t understand how religion gets involved in chemtrails, and I don’t believe in God myself, but that doesn’t stop me seeing what a terrible way our society is heading and what trouble is in store for us in the near future. For now, my hands are full of regaining my health and looking after my family, but I will look into chemtrails gently.

On a similar theme, I’d like to recommend a book for you Russ. It’s a fictional novel, and I have no idea if you read fiction at all, but this book completely blew my socks off. A seriously great book, one of my all time top 5 and I read a lot! I read it twice in 3 months because it was so good. It won the booker prize, which is a pretty big thing to do. It’s a fictional novel but it talks and reflects what and how our society works today and where it might go in the future. Its called “Cloud Atlas” by David Mitchell.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cloud-Atlas...ay&qid=1202394119&sr=8-1

Me and my friends loved it, my mother and father hated it………


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Thanks for the book intro. I don't read much fiction myself as my research keeps me busy.

In my research, everything is connected with "religion"—that is—if you consider religion the reality of the existence of God. There is a lot more going on in this world than most people are aware of, but that's for each individual to check out if they are interested.

Anyway...

Last night, we got hit at about 4am. It was so bad, even in the lower level of my house, that my eyes were burning, not to mention the headache and sinus pain.

The pattern that I see now developing is pre-drive-time spraying.... 4am to 9am (before morning drive time), 3pm to 6pm (evening drive time). This would make sense if the objective is to induce maximum human exposure.

Again, this afternoon about 3pm, we were hit again. Right now (about 11:15pm et), the air seems pretty clear. I'll keep this thread posted about upcoming events.

Again, if there are any people in the Jamestown area who have access to air testing equipment and would be interested in doing some controlled testing, I would be happy to help.

Cheers.


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Just thought I'd post an update...

Like clockwork, it's 2:45am and I just got the first whiff of chemtrail toxins. Right when I noticed it, I went upstairs and immediately felt the intense sinus burn that accompanies the spraying. It's intensity is always worse on the upper floor but eventually works its way downstairs (where my office now is).

I suspect the air will worsen over the next few hours in preparation for the morning drive time.



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Just another note...

It is now 3:50am and I have noticed for the past several nights that the following symptoms accompany the more common chemtrail symptoms that I experience in the middle of the night:

- Severe ringing in the ears
- Oily skin
- Sweating
- Wandering mind (focusing becomes extremely difficult)
- Severe fatigue
- Headache
- Tingling in the hands and feet
- Muscle twitching

The astute observer will notice that all of the above symptoms are commonly associated with mercury toxicity.

This fact combined with the news report video near the top of this forum (in a sticky post entitled Local News Station Uncovers Barium in Chemtrails (video)) reported that mercury (in additional to barium and aluminum) was found in chemtrail residue, may indeed be cause for serious concern.

Perhaps this should be a severe wake up call for all of us.

For those who understand the current state of affairs and who:

(1) grasp the fact that the addition of mercury to "silver" dental fillings and vaccines was intended to harm (for the profits of the pharmaceutical companies), and

(2) those persons who relalize that the current heavy media promotion of tattoos (which often contain mercury)

should also be able to understand this:

Since there is a massive awakening currently taking place about vaccines, non-organic foods, and amalgam fillings (over 50% of dentists no longer place amalgam fillings in the U.S.), the only remaining method of delivery of mercury to the common citizen is via the air.

Delivery via water is not possible because it would be readily detected during the regular water testing that takes place, although they have been delivering harmful fluoride in the form of hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium hexafluorosilicate after convincing the public that it was beneficial.

Mercury deliver via the food supply has been taking place for decades through the use of mercury-based fungicides, which are now being bypassed by a massive consumer switch to organically-grown foods.

So, in short, considering the current awakening about the other forms of mercury-to-human delivery, it's only logical that those who have brought this toxin to us for the past several decades are now using the only form of universal delivery remaining:

air.


Experiments that sample air periodically and map toxins to chemtrail events would be more than welcome and I believe the results would be quite telling.


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This sound horrific Russ! Do you get these symptoms when you go away this area? What happens when you go away on holiday, away from this type of environment? Do the other people in yr home get the same symptoms?


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Well, symptoms started today about 3pm (Friday), as usual. They have continued even until now (5:30am Saturday). It seems that it's been going non stop. It feels like my head is going to split open. I just took some pain medicine.

Laura and I did go to Erie for dinner tonight (about an hour away) and about half way there, the burning stopped completely. She can feel it too but she's not quite as sensitive as I am.

When we were coming back, the burn started again about 20 miles outside Jamestown and got progressively worse until it was quite bad in town.

We are under a serious assault here.


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It's about 2:41am (technically Sunday) and today was clear of chemtrails up until about 9pm. At that point and continuously until now, the pain associated with chemtrails has been non-stop.

I'm going to be working for a while and then going to bed. I'm going to continue posting reports on this thread, at least for a while.

If anyone wants to log the activity in their own area on a thread, please feel free to do so. This is a very serious issue and correlating the activity between location may be very useful in convincing people that this is indeed occurring.

Even though chemtrails represents a phenomenon outside the paradigm of many people, it won't always be this way. As people continue to wake up at record rates and realize the scope of global governmental corruption and coverup, chemtrails will begin to reach a level of logical acceptability sooner than most of us think.

Be encouraged.

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As a late aside, David O. Mitchell's work is brilliant in the way he uses fiction to portray the craziness of now. That there book was a tour-de force paranoid oevre, Number 9 Dream is purty good, too. ( latest one is more normalsville, guess he needed a break)
Re Zeitgeist /chemtrails an religion, my point is that religion most often divides folks more than it unites 'em. Big part of the reason we got the mess we all are in. Divide an conquer rules.
I know Christians ( and Muslims and Jews and Hindus ) that watched "Z." and got a lot out of it. Their faith was strong enough to withstand the first part a that film and appreciate the overall synopsis of the war on us.
I think ya can't beat it for the fast track background info for what all else needs lookin into. It's kinda like truth info 101 for lots a folks.

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I agree that there is a lot of truth in the zeitgeist movie, but a lot of truth is not enough truth. The truth begins only after part one. There are many other movies available that serve well as a "truth 101" course, but this is not one of them.

Part one of the movie is simply an attempt to discredit the Bible and Christianity. The problem I have with it is that the information is horribly and blatantly inaccurate and undermines our ability to understand just why these things are happening. In fact, "facts" presented in this video are often the exact opposite of the truth. They have facts throughout the first section so mixed up, morphed and misassociated that they are—in fact—doing exactly what they are accusing "religion" of doing:

They are creating a myth of their own that will do nothing more than further confuse and divide people and make the search for truth even more difficult than it has already been made by those who have done the same types of things before them.

The opening quote of the zeitgeist movie is just one of many examples. It includes the phrase:

"The religious institutions of this world are put there by the same people who gave you your government, your corrupt education, who set up your international banking cartels."

This is a half-truth. It should read:

"Most of the religious institutions of this world..."

There is a big difference.

The narrator is throwing out the baby with the bathwater—that is—he's creating a misassociation.

I recognize this person and I have watched a number of his slanderous and inaccurate anti-Christian videos on YouTube over the past couple years. It should not surprise me that this kind of character would show up in a propaganda video such as this.

Needless to say, anyone who has studied the Bible will quickly realize that he knows just enough about the Bible to be dangerous. He speaks in half-truths and misapplied associations constantly—throughout his speeches—and the above statement is no exception. It's clear that he hates Christianity while inaccurately associating it with all "religion". Now, I would agree that most "religion" is deceptive, but ironically, it is deceptive in exactly the same way this video is deceptive.

Are the producers of the zeitgeist video ignorant or are they being purposefully deceptive?

To me, they are obviously being deceptive intentionally. Of course, having the background I have in politics, information, and the Bible, this discernment comes easy to me as I believe it would come easy to anyone with my background.

The Egyptian and astrological symbology used to make their contention—although artful—is horribly colored and omissive of vital information. Again, a book could be written on just this.

You see, the people who founded the United States were mostly Christian, so it should be no surprise that the concepts of freedom and personal liberty that are embedded in the foundational law of this country are taken directly from the Bible. (Yes, I know some were masons but there is more to the story—for another time.)

Contrary to what the opening narrative implies, the people who now control this country are not Christian. They are literally the same people who brought us the Soviet Union (USSR) and Communist China.

Have you ever wondered why U.S. trade agreements now favor these countries over all others (see NAFTA, GATT)?

Have you ever wondered why Clinton gave (yes, gave!) our multi-warhead ICBM missile technology to China?

Answer: Because they are eventually going to give it back to us, but in a method much less benign. Yet, this is only the tip of the iceberg.

The fact is, McCarthy was right.

Do you believe Sean Hannity is a Christian?
Do you believe Tucker Carlson is a Christian?
Do you believe Bush is a Christian?

Anyone who believes any of these people are Christians are so Biblically uneducated that they are in great danger of what the Bible calls "strong delusion", yet the zeitgeist video uses Tucker Carlson as a "sample" Christian.

[color:"brown"]"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"[/color]

—2 Thessalonians 2:10-11


The zeitgeist video also makes broad and deceptive associations between Christianity and horrific acts of the catholic church, yet, any respectable Bible student will realize that the catholic church is not (and never has been) Christian. In fact, it is anti (or, more accurately, ante) -Christian to the core.

(I am not saying that catholic church-goers are not good people. I am saying that catholics and/or masons can be good people at the lower levels without having any idea about what kind of evil those above them are doing.)

I also recognize the voice of "comedian" George Carlin making statements about guilt and laws as they relate to the Bible. Unfortunately, George does not know even the fundamentals about the Bible, Christ, or the fundamental purpose of Christ's work.

George said:

"The invisible Man (God) has ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things He has a special place full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish where He will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever till the end of time."

This is completely untrue and anti-Biblical.

Although George has been a long-time opponent of Christianity, the fact is, he barely understands the fundamentals, and fundamentally misunderstands them at that.

What George does not understand (in all likelihood, does not want to understand) is that the law (don't murder, love your neighbor, etc.) was intended to be the mirror that showed us ourselves. Grace, through Christ was the release from guilt for all of our imperfections freeing us from the penalty of the law.

As usual, George has it completely backwards but continues to spread his 180-degree out-of-phase misinformation even after all these years (He's been at it for decades).

Again, it does not surprise me to find this kind of blatantly misleading information in the zeitgeist video. Those who have done their homework will quickly recognize it. I feel for those who do not know enough to see through these lies and as a result are being robbed of a life fulfilled by a relationship with God because of the misinformation in the zeitgeist video.

A book could (and should) be written to counter the brilliant and well-executed lies in the zeitgeist video (they are well executed), but I hope this small sample above is enough to demonstrate how deceptive it is, right out the box. Each person will have to do their own research however, and I certainly hope they do.


When you research things for years—even decades—as I have, you are able to see the modalities that people use to deceive other people. The techniques used are strict and unimaginative; they don't change much over time.

With the background that we have, Laura and I both easily recognized that the zeitgeist movie is using a technique some call credibility-by-osmosis. This is where you position stories in such a way that propaganda appears just before and/or after very emotional and credible-to-your-audience stories. This both lends credibility to your story (in the context of your audience) and it puts people in an internal emotional state that makes the story more memorable (raised emotions do that) and believable.

Ironically, the conspiracy whistle-blowers have been primarily Christian (mostly ex-military with very real inside knowledge) until more recent years. For this reason, the strategy of the powers-that-be (ptb) is two-fold:

(1) Divide and conquer, and

(2) Promote anything that is anti-Christianity (This is the root cause for the myriad of other "religions").

The reason for this is that the ptb know that the heart of this (information) war that is occurring is predicted, outlined, and remedied in the Bible, but the ptb don't want you to know that. In fact, they so want you to abhor the Bible that they incessantly slander it so you will not even read it, lest you discover what astounding information it contains. Yes, the Bible actually contains more information about the time we live in right now than it contains about the time Christ walked the Earth.

For those who have the intellectual strength to read it regardless of the propaganda against it, the ptb go so far as to create a massive number of horrible and deliberately watered-down translations of the Bible, again, to obscure the message and cause confusion.

New Age Bible Versions

[color:"brown"]"This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace."[/color]

—James 3:15-18


So, when you understand the big picture (which would take me hours of typing to properly explain—and one day perhaps I will) you understand that the strategy of "debunking" the Bible and then following it with "conspiracy" information (which is mostly true) is nothing more than an attempt to neuter the particular group of Christians (or would-be Christians) who do understand the depth and impact of the information in the Bible and who are involved in doing what Christians should be doing, namely, exposing lies and corruption in order to protect the masses from these evil people and their schemes (that they only get away with because of confusion).

The irony of this is that the very source of information that provides the remedy for the current information war is contained in the very book they slander. Of course, this is no irony at all. It is by design.

(Most who read the Bible will recognize that current world events were predicted centuries ago.

The Bar Code and the Mark of the Beast

Having discovered this, these would likely become Christians themselves.) The producers of the zeitgeist video would certainly not like this very much.

They say their purpose is to:

"to inspire people to start looking at the world from a more critical perspective and to understand that very often things are not what the population at large think they are. "

Sounds good, right? But then why are they are spreading blatant lies and why are they omitting massive amounts of valuable information. Could there be something deeper going on here?

So, when you understand the big picture and see someone putting together this kind of film, with our background, it makes perfect sense and is simply par for the course.

In regard to religions being used to divide people: Yes surely this is true, but you have to understand that the Bible is not a religion, although people do create religions from it (people create religions from all sorts of things, including comets).

A religion is one's own belief system. The differences in people's belief systems (religions) is what causes contention.

There are differences in people's belief systems simply because people tend to adamantly believe things (have "faith" in things) without first doing research (they are "emotionally-based"). They then passionately defend these beliefs. The onlookers then blame the ensuing violence on "religion" and attempt to group Christianity into that catch-all phrase and therefore attempt to discredit it by association.

This is real bad logic and has nothing to do with critical thinking.

As an example, in the natural health industry (my industry), I see contention between doctors and herbalists because doctors have a belief system (religion) which they adopt from school. Herbalists also have a belief system they adopt from their education. The two are in opposition (in part) so there is resulting conflict.

Doctors sometimes take time to read our companies' (Herb Allure, Inc.) publications and they become open to the idea that herbs can be a viable modality after seeing all of the scientific research available supporting it. In short, their mind changes when they are provided with sound information.

As far as pharmacology (pharmaceuticals) is concerned, it is in their (the pharmaceutical companies') best interest to hide information from the public that herbalists know because it is in the pharmaceutical companies' best financial interest to keep people sick so they will continue taking drugs for long periods of time. A sick person is a profitable customer (for them).

For this reason, they spread disinformation—lies—to the detriment of the patient but to the benefit of the companies' financial statements. So, the pharmaceutical companies go to great lengths to control what people believe —their religion—by gaining control of medical education so they can control the disseminated information, for example, and form the religion (the belief system) of the doctor.

The same is true of other man-made religions.

Religion is profitable for the following reasons:

(1) Religion is a person's personal belief system.

(2) A person's belief system is what controls a person's behavior.

(3) A person's behavior determines how they spend their money. (This is what commercials and advertising is for.)

(4) How a person spends their money determines who receives the money they spend.

(5) Whoever receives the money people spend gets richer.

So, the bottom line is this...

If you are able to control a person's belief system (en masse), you can get rich.

This is exactly why the first industry that gets "taken over" when a country is being conquered is the media (TV, print, etc.) This is what happened in Iraq.

The ptb first neutralized the military so they could next seize the media. Once they control the media, they control elections, then law, then the flow of money. They will eventually create legislation that will funnel the flow of public money to private corporations; a concept that is abhorrent to freedom and is—by definition—fascism.

The remedy for fascism is the truth.

In other words, if people knew (believed) what is really going on (the truth), they would overpower the ptb and make things right (basically). But there is a problem.

People will not be able to grasp what is going on until they understand the big picture, that is, the picture which is laid out in the Bible. Well, there are Bibles everywhere, so destroying all Bibles is not feasible for the ptb at this time, so they have resorted to several other time-tested schemes that all work together to accomplish their agenda. They slander the Bible and create emotional associations with the Book that are so negative that no one will even want to admit that they have one, much less read it.

The truth is, however, that this disinformation about the Bible is nothing more than that: A lie.

The Bible contains vast in-depth information about freedom, personal property ownership, the tremendous value of life, information about the methods used by evil to spread disinformation, and much more. All of this kind of information is detrimental to the horrendous plans of the ptb and therefore, they must do whatever they can to keep you from reading the Bible.

Well, they can't stop everyone from reading it so they have to do something to counteract those with personal stamina and conviction who will read it despite their slanderous efforts. For this, they produce things like the zeitgeist film.

[color:"brown"]Don't you find it interesting that this film about conspiracy is prefaced with a massive disinformation piece about the Bible?[/color]

Interesting indeed, but it's no mistake at all. It's all about neutering the fast-growing conspiracy movement, because without the truth, empowerment, and information provided by the Bible, the conspiracy (truth) movement does not stand a chance.

I know a lot about a few things:

(1) The Bible
(2) Global Conspiracy
(3) People's Behavior

and what an empowering combination this long-term study has been and how it makes the world make complete sense.

[color:"brown"]In this mode of true critical thinking, logic demonstrates that the zeitgeist video is nothing more than an attempt to derail the conspiracy (truth) movement.[/color]

Yes, if people do their homework, they will discover that many of the things in life and government they accept as being good and beneficial are actually the cancerous tools used to degrade the power of the people and to centralize power into the hands of a greedy few. When people do their homework, they eventually realize that most of the world "leaders" of today are Owl-God worshiping Satanists (literally) who hate God (search Bohemian Grove), hate personal freedoms (when it is not their own) and will kill, steal, and destroy to get whatever they wilt.

"Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law."
—The Book of the Law (Crowley)

Without the knowledge, prophecy, and values the Bible contains, we don't have a chance against the current worshipers of the gnostic gods (gods of knowledge).

In their world, knowledge ("gnostic"—technology) is power.

In the soon-coming kingdom of Christ, righteousness (purity) is power.


You will see astounding things in your lifetime.


...for those who have an ear.


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I'm sorry to hear that you are getting hit so hard, Russ.

It's hard to be certain how many chemtrails we're getting over Columbus (Ohio) now because it's overcast most days. When I can see the sky I usually don't see any chemtrails.

I think that whatever they're spraying doesn't work well in very cold temperatures but I could be wrong. Also, as you noted they don't spray on windy days.

I'm sure that in the spring I'll start to see a lot more activity.

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Yes, I have witnessed that same pattern as well; the don't spray on really windy days.

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Oh…I’ve been away

Back to David Mitchell….i read Dream number 9. was good, nowhere near as good as Cloud Atlas….the ending kinda petered out for me. Reading it you can see and feel his style developing. I have not tried his newest yet….i’m preoccupied with my health now, but I will get to it at some point because Cloud Atlas is such an incredible book.

When I was on holiday in Austria last week, in the mountains, I was on chemTrail watch. I saw no clouds in the whole week, weather was faboulous. I saw no chemtrails either . I saw plenty of airplane trails, but they disappeared within 30 seconds to 1 minute.

Russ you should go on holiday there….you’d love it…no chemtrails…LOL

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You can just see the airplane trail in the pic…..its very short and faded away very quickly


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We have chemtrails over Columbus (Ohio) today so I guess my theory about them not spraying when it's cold is wrong because it was near zero this mornning. However, as Russ noted they don't spray when it's windy because that probably messes up the dispersion of whatever they're spraying.

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I guess we don't have to wonder about why the price of gas is so high. considering the very expensive cost of jet fuel... considering the fact that the govt claims these planes are doing nothing except dumping 'excess' fuel... all day and night everywhere...

it must be nice to have so much excess fuel to dump. Especially at these prices.

my tax money at work. I am always in awe of the govt and it's conservation of precious resources. I guess my tax money is not considered a precious resource since it seems to be treated more like an endlessly available waste product to be dumped in the sky. I'd prefer they just dumped the dollars back onto us. It would save an awful lot of jet fuel. They'd only have to do it once or twice a day over any city and everyone would be happy. It would probably do a better job of cloud cover too. The jets flying all day are only adding to the CO2 levels anyway. They probably add more CO2 to the atmosphere all by themselves than their fake cloud cover attempts to bandaid.

How come no one is asking why the govt dumps so much fuel into the air when crude oil is costing $100 a barrel? can't they find a more reasonable place to dump it? Like a tank that can reuse the fuel?

I cannot figure out why none of it makes sense to me. I need a senator to explain this to me.



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