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No, we obviously do not understand each other.

You stated lies about the purpose of our forum and the purpose of Russ' posts (whatever your intent) and I held you accountable. You apologized but added the disclaimer that your statements weren't lies because part of definition #1 for the word "lie" includes the intent to deceive. Yet, you ignore the fact that the other part of definition #1 includes a "falsehood" (which by its own definition #1 is a false statement; a lie) and there is no intent attached.

Now, you're claiming that I have to prove your intent in order to satisfy the first part of definition #1?

RAZD, if anyone has any responsibility of proof here it is you. You stated the lies (i.e. the false statements, the falsehoods, the false impressions).

You argue that definition #3 isn't the general usage of the word, you contradict definition #1 yourself, so that only leaves definition #2. However, the problem you have now is that this meaning includes both initial purpose (i.e. intent) AND end result, so even if you initial purpose was not to convey a false impression, the end result was that your statements conveyed a false impression thereby fulfilling the requirement for the definition of a lie.

Honestly, I simply find it quite ridiculous and a waste of my time that you are quibbling over half parts of definitions.

Let's be absolutely clear here. When you made these statements you knew that you didn't know if they were true, yet you willingly made these statements as though they were true. Therefore, you did in fact show intent by making statements that you knew you did not know whether or not they were true. This concretely fits the definition of a lie, including definition #1, and thus, your statements were lies.

Moving on...

I've accepted your apology and told you that I also accepted your claim that your intent was not to deceive. But I'm not going to accept your attempts to tell me that making statements that are lies is not really making statements that are lies because you didn't intend to deceive anyone (see my previous paragraph).

Furthermore, trying to shift the focus away from yourself and onto someone else is simply a poor attempt at distraction. This is what my 5-year-old nephew tries when he gets caught doing something wrong that he knows he shouldn't have done.

Finally, neither Russ' statements on evolution nor the plethora of definitions for the word evolution are the subject of this discussion. If you want to change the subject, then I suggest you start a new thread.