Fancy me talking about "mercury" on an amalgam fillings/mercury poisoning forum pgm. I should really have my hand slapped.
You know what? I am ill, I was ill for years with mercury and treated it and started getting well. My downfall came after viral infection in 2003. I did not have the infection before, even with the mercury toxicity. I didn't even have nearly as bad yeast issues either. Not sure if you can explain that one, but you keep acting as though you know better than me about what I had. You do not. Chelation helped me with mercury. But no amount of chelation helped me with infections, only wtih mercury.
I am not studied in pathogens, I am also very tired and am not so great on sitting down and getting involved in the entire pathogen idea. So I do my best to give as much advice as I can that I feel might help. no it is not perfect, I'm not perfect, I am not qualified and I am also not obligated to pass ANYTHING onto anybody. I do it from the bits I know and people can choose to try it or ignore it, or go their own way and do their own study.
What exactly are you expecting from me pgm? I am a layperson on a forum, not a doctor. I'm supposed to do it all right? How dare I mention diet, supplements and chelation and only midly speak on pathogens because you have evaluated me and decided that I am bias or I am just not doing my bit or not enough.
I simply speak from my own experience and the things I've read. Outside of that? I'd be making things up. You are free to give the advice from what you've learned. As others are, that's what the forum is here for.
Excuse me, but the accummulated mercury poisoning needs to be chelated out, and it worked for me at that time (i needed to do it, my body retains metals/toxins badly, part of my make up I guess) and I see it working for others. You just continue to put it all down to pathogens and then bring up isolated events of those chelation didn't work on....What about all the ones it has helped? all pathogens huh? Suddenly you talk about mercury when chelation didn't help, but when it does help? then you put it all down to pathogens.
If you think it's ok to leave the mercury in the tissues/organs and brain and the body will just chelate it out naturally. That's up to you, but that is also bad advice for others, especially on here. However, many physicians, andy included know about the dangers of mercury being left as is, and feel it needs to be chelated out. Is that somehow...um...criminal to mention that on a mercury forum or something? IF this was a forum for pathogens, then it would be expected that one would know much more on the matter and be discussing that much more than mercury......
I got the mercury out of me with anything available because I was desperate to get it moving faster. It hurt at the time, but sped things up. Not just DMSA (though that worked well, but then again you have your own reasons why you think it works, which of course, surprise surprise, never has anything to do with mercury). I used other things too and they did cause a lot of symptoms and did eventually get the metals out. Pathogens included maybe. Whatever happened, I was getting well.
Pathogens are what I deal with now for sure and chelation never works on them at all, unless of course I've had a re-exposure to metals, then the chelation becomes of more use. Outside of that? It's useless on my yeast and useless on the infections. And that proves to me that it has been ineffective on me for every other case, OTHER than when I was metal toxic or have a re-exposure. If it was pathogen effective, I'd gain improvements from it much more now than then.
Pgm, if you want to use this forum for pathogen advice? You are welcome. I will continue to advocate what worked for me at the time of mercury toxicity, be it diet, supplements, chelation or whatever. Outside of that? I'm not going into an area I don't fully understand, perhaps others could do that?
Accumulative poison or not, the chelation therapies may not even be so effective, Ray Saarela mentioned on the amalgam list, that there was a guy who chelated alot, but died in cancer later, and the autopsy revealed still lots of mercury.
We don't know if it is or isn't in every case and it depends on what type of chelation it is, and how long the person keeps it up. IT takes a long time to get this stuff out, even with the ideal chelation protocol. You keep using isolated cases in attempts to poo poo mercury chelation and when something comes up that shows cases where it's been positive? Then you put it down to pathogens and nothing more.
A point I'm also trying to make is that you cant have both mercury and pathogens causing chronic diseases, immunopathologies (aka Herx), this is unacceptable. Metals and pathogens, they are something completely different. Because chronic diseases are seen with and without mercury, then it can't be mercury that is responsible for them, not at least directly. This is not to say that some people with MS are not harmed by mercury, but it is not mercury in itself that causes MS.
Hang on, because chronic diseases are seen with and without mercury, then it can't be mercury......how does this make any sense? Everybody is different and people are affected more by some things than others. I know people who have amalgams who are "ok", and others who can have one and get ill. Tolerance and sensitivities and ability to excrete toxins/metals may also come into it. OVerall immune status, many things could come into this. I don't think we can honestly know what exactly is causing what in every single person.
If people come onto a mercury toxic forum pgm, then they are usually expecting mercury related advice. I cannot believe you have actually called me bias because I talk about mercury more than anything on a mercury forum lol. I think it's funny. I should go onto a pathogen forum and accuse them of being bias and talking mostly about pathogens, but not enough on mercury.
Why should I, as a sick person, take up all my time and mention every possible issue in all it's detail to please everybody all at once, including you? and have you sit and evaluate me to see if I'm doing my job right? And then give me a commentary on what I'm missing, when I cannot possibly cover all things at onetime. Plus I'm not qualified to understand all things.
I also cannot cover all the endocrine issues too, which some mention and talk about in more detail than I can. Perhaps I should be slapped over the hand for that side of it too? The fact I don't talk enough on adrenals or thyroid or pathogens and I'm just NOT doing my bit.
If you want big discussions on pathogens and the mercury to be pushed to the side, why don't you join a pathogen forum? That's what these forums are for, they are titled to let us know what the focus is. I am also on yeast forums and mainly the talk is about...."yeast" (surprise surprise). Different forums for different focusses. Doesn't mean people cannot discuss the other issues that maybe involved or may in some cases be the cause, but it seems a little silly to get on a mercury toxic forum and then accuse me of being bias because I'm focussed on mercury chelation, diet and supplements, rather than indepth pathogen discussions.