Hi Pgm, vitamin C is not a chelator nor a mobiliser. When you say that you backfired after copying my plan here.....I was somewhat surprised. It isn't and wasn't MY plan, but a common part of many people's supplement regimes..... and something I only passed on not just from the many who are taking it (mercury toxic and otherwise) but from qualified experts who recommend it (both in my own country and on here). Vitamin C recommendations are very common on just about any forum including this one (Frequent dose and adult metal chelation forum being two such ones, without even counting the vast information on curezone forums). And certainly there are no such documentation that I have ever come across that it's a concern regarding mercury or other metals or yeast. I am passing on nothing more than stuff than even the most toxic people are taking regularly. I would never have suggested vitamin C in even relatively high doses if I thought others would be in danger of permanent or long term damage and I doubt the likes of Andy Cutler would either! He would soon be exposed for harming people if this were the case. Nor have I heard of such! I am very sorry to hear about the person you mentioned, that is a very big concern and that alone should caution any of us in either taking or recommending immediate high dose supplementation without starting slow and small to test for reactions.

Is what you're saying here suggesting that vitamin C or even vitamin E, could in certain circumstances, be just as harmful or risky as the likes of ALA and cilantro?.... if vitamin C does not chelate or move mercury (unless there is evidence to suggest otherwise), then I hardly see it being in the same high risk catagory as heavy duty mercury mobilisers/chelators as already mentioned.. The only risk to taking vitamin C perhaps is the too much too soon senario with pumping up the antioxidant/detox ability (glutathione etc) in the body, which perhaps would cause an increase in detoxification symptoms at the sametime? which might at times be intolerable....does this mean long term/ permanent effects/damage? I'd be surprised if that were ever the case. Many highly toxic people do not take much at all to tip them over the already delicate balance and even an increase in just antioxidants can be enough to do that alone, especially in the early stages.

I've had this myself with vitamin C (and selenium too by the way) when I was full of mercury (blood) and already had enough symptoms from not taking a thing. So when I used a good quality lab vitamin C powder, and tried selenium drops, my symptoms almost sky rocketed at first. I stopped the selenium completely at first and had to lower the vitamin C to half the dosage that the doctor had recommended, I was too toxic and sensitive to handle even that. But the effects were FAR from long term injury as I had been from other products like chlorella, ALA, cilantro etc. The effects died down rather quickly in comparison (next day) and I simply adjusted the dose up and down many times to see what I could handle at the time. I was a very serious case of mercury toxicity and hyper sensitive too. Later, I was able to handle higher doses of vitamin C and take selenium (on and off) and over long term use, found these both very helpful. But the intial increase in symptoms from these, simply does not even come close to months long agonising backfires from serious chelating agents, unless there are cases out there I've not heard of yet? I would say if someone is experiencing too many symptoms from the likes of selenium, vitamin C, vitamin E, perhaps this is a strong indicator of toxic overload and the need to be EXTRA cautious and slow.


If you know of anybody who has been seriously harmed long term from high vitamin C intake or vitamin E etc? I suggest you get in touch with Andy or the frequent dose forum and let him/them know. Because his recommendations are increasing in popularity and two forums alone use his protocol and if there is anything of concern in that area, then it would be helpful to inform them of that in case anybody else is hurt.

From my experience (unqualified as it is, but well qualified in suffering these horrific metal and yeast illnesses) antioxidants can most definitely increase detox symptoms but usually when the person is already in dumping detox mode or they may stimulate the body's natural process even more and increase symptoms, particularly in someone excessively toxic.

We don't have to agree on everything, I agree <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> But again I have yet to see an article on yeast causing excessive salivation and if there is one, is there a qualified doctor/chemist behind it? Dr Godfrey (well known highly qualified doctor in new zealand). He's worked with mercury toxic patients for many years, the guy is now pretty old. Excessive salivation and/or crying excessively during toxicity or detoxification, particularly when increased by certain supplements/chelating agents, he said is MERCURY. I cannot tell you how many patients he has been treating for years on end with mercury. Metal taste added to that is just a further confirmation, plus the increased symptoms during his homeopathic metal detox remedies. He states to take them at tiny doses at first because the effects can be tremendous. Not once did he mention yeast, nor has any other mercury knowledgeable doc/dentist/health advisor that I have ever read about or gone to. Crying and salivating in fact, is one way the body can attempt to eliminate heavy metals and other toxins and it certainly worked that way with me many times. Andy's protocol made it less intense and more tolerable for me by moving mercury more evenly and safely and in fact often corrected a bad reaction from other protocols and cleared the newly exposed or massively mobilised metals out again in the right way, enabling more stability. But again detox symptoms were never eliminated when I was chelating, always there to some degree.

Just because vitamin C and vitamin E may not be direct mercury chelators/binders/mobilisers, does not mean there cannot be an increase in metal symptoms when you take them. if amalgam removal alone can stimulate "some" metal elimination to a certain degree (which andy mentions), which would also use up antioxidants in the process Im sure as well as the typical metal detox symptoms... then surely taking antioxidants to replace, support and stimulate this natural process further, would then logically ncrease those symptoms? Particularly if they boost the body's natural detox "gluathione". Just a thought. May explain what happened to me and why selenium coudl at times be helpful or intolerable!