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http://www.cancertutor.com/Autism/ComprehensiveGuide.doc

Some very good information on supplements as well as mercury and such.

[quote]Chelation with DMSA needs GSH or NAC to metabolize out as disulfide-bound DMSA-GSH or DMSA-NAC. If replacement NAC/GSH is not supplied, DMSA and DMPS (3-4 times more so than DMSA) consume available stores leaving a dangerous deficiency. In humans, oral glutathione is readily absorbed by the gut mucosa, repleting its glutathione supply; but all remaining GSH is then broken down by the mucosa preventing systemic absorption. This may explain why oral glutathione has been of help to autistic children even when there is apparently no systemic absorption. This being true, one must support the body in its manufacture of GSH to avoid a dangerous lack due to chelation. Nevertheless, given the gut dysfunction found in many autistic children, oral glutathione at 250 - 500 mg/day may be of significant help. Additionally, a glutathione cream has become available. I think this means of replenishment of cellular glutathione is highly desirable. Further, it seems both forms should be used.

An important point should be emphasized, however, regarding the potential for DMSA to contribute further to cysteine depletion. Ninety percent of the DMSA absorbed is excreted in the urine as a cysteine-DMSA-cysteine disulfide complex.42 Therefore, between days of oral administration of DMSA it is important to replace cysteine, except in those instances where the child is cysteine toxic. The important point here is that pharmacological doses of cysteine/NAC, in the range of 1500 mg daily, have the potential to exacerbate the adverse neurological effects of toxic metals since it moves mercury into the brain in rats. It is of interest to note that intravenous glutathione removes mercury from the brain.{/quote]

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I’m happy its working for you.

Not everyone is the same. I cannot take NAC, nor glutathione, nor cysteine. Makes me sick as dog. For months on end if I try it even for one day.


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I got a download Ebook once about DMSA. The guy was cured from mercury poisoning by using it and his protocol is very similar to Hal Huggins suggestions to use DMSA. I think he suggested 50 - 100 mg of DMSA (one capsule) everyday or every second day.

Yet any method other than Andrew Cutler's was very dangerous to me. Even just "one" isolated 50 mg capsule of DMSA could cause such horrific symptoms that I could be up all night in anguish and I am not exaggerating when I say that. Either that, or it would make me extremely hyped up and nervous. The effects would not usually die down until a week had gone by or longer. I had to use Andy Cutler's protocol to improve and reverse many such reactions I had from "experimenting" with other protocols.

Simply because isolated doses or anything outside of frequent careful dosing of Cutler's method, can move mercury erratically and the stuff can go anywhere, usually into more sensitive areas (brain being one).

Though some people can cope with it, I could not and many others cannot also and have been damaged.

It's the same with natural products, though they maybe healthy in every other circumstance, if they work by stirring mercury up too much, they become quite a risk. Some people do really well on sulfur amino acids like cysteine etc, others it is a total disaster.

Two people apparently committed suicide after being put on large amounts of NAC for mercury. I do not know the details as such, I heard this on a candida forum where a guy was advocating using it because of it's ability to increase glutathione, and was told by more than one member about the double suicide! Though it is great for the liver and glutathione.... again, if you have mercury, use with caution.

Though it was not the NAC itself that would have caused this, it the mercury being wildly moved around and causing horrible symptoms was most likely the culprit. I can't tell you how many times I could have ended my life from "detoxing mercury". Simply because I did not understand what I was doing and neither it seemed did the apparent "experts" trying to treat it who had me on all manner of things. My doctor thought she was doing me a favour by telling me to just take "one" cap of DMSA on a small amount, but didn't understand that even that would be enough to cause a horrible reaction.

Andy Cutler was the only one that got it right, (dosing every 4 hours to keep blood levels of chelating agent even, so movement of mercury will be the same) at least in my case and it seems many others because he truly understands the way mercury works and the safest method of treating it and chelating it.

However, it doesn't mean that he knows ALL or that it will work for everybody, but I'll say this, he has an excellent track record and continues to do so. I wonder sometimes is it really worth experimenting when there is such a tried and tested protocol out there? I know I did alot of it and regret it quite bitterly. I never had to go through that kind of agony afterall.

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I've got to add a recommendation for this book.( Assuming the information is accurate) it is a WEALTH of information on supplements, how to combine them, how not to, what to take for what.

It it amazing the similarities in treating Mercury toxic Autistics and Chronic Fatigue. It's got to be the same disease.

For the last week I've been going through this and highlighting the useful information and it is really a find.

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More from Willis Langford:

http://www.ionablue.com/willis/index.htm


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sregan, what clued me in that als and mercury might be one and the same was that on independent disease forums all the same supplements were being used for both!
Mark

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sregan, what clued me in that als and mercury might be one and the same was that on independent disease forums all the same supplements were being used for both!
Mark

The more I research the more I'm convinced that mercury is behind a LOT of problems. If regular guys like me can figure that out why aren't the scientists? Are they all employed by the Drug companies?

What is interesting to note is that the vaccines with Mercury or Aluminum (toxic) preservatives are made by the same companies that are later in life selling us Anti Depressants by the truckload.


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From what I've read and experienced, NAC should only be taken with DMSA. And even then, only after the Cutler method has been used long enough to assure that mercury from the body has been depleted enough to alievate chances of it going into the brain. After about 6 months of the Cutler method, I have switched to Liposomal DMSA since it slow releases over 48 hours and I only have to dose every 24 hours. I combine it with NAC. Seems to be working.
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Taking NAC depends on how your body handles sulphur(thiol) and that too changes over time when you chelate and detox and your body adapts/changes.

“Some people's bodies respond to mercury by making more thiol
containing things like glutathione and cysteine. For these people
they need to REDUCE their intake of everything sulfury to keep
levels down.

Other people's bodies respond to mercury by having low levels of
glutathione etc. and they need to INCREASE their intake of sulfury
stuff. Andy Cutler http://onibasu.com/archives/am/2470.html ”

For your guidance that slow release DMSA is not approved of by Cutler and his gang over on Yahoo FDC because it does not slow release like the company says it does. Whereby you get redistribution events.

If you search Yahoo FDC more you will find many more discussions about this….but here is the first one I found http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/12517

But…………we are all different….each to their own….if it’s working….cool

Take care


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sregan, what clued me in that als and mercury might be one and the same was that on independent disease forums all the same supplements were being used for both!
Mark

The more I research the more I'm convinced that mercury is behind a LOT of problems. If regular guys like me can figure that out why aren't the scientists? Are they all employed by the Drug companies?

What is interesting to note is that the vaccines with Mercury or Aluminum (toxic) preservatives are made by the same companies that are later in life selling us Anti Depressants by the truckload.


Yes exactly. What a great business model.


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