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Glaciologists study the rate at which ice flows in different places. It flows at different rates in different places. The climate is different in different places. Scientists are aware of these rates when they drill ice cores.


Not really, many of them never consider flow, they don't seem to be aware of it. Kind of a bit of contention there among people who study this stuff.


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I suggest before SoSick makes off-the-cuff comments about glacial flow rate in the Himalayas, that she actually look up some information about this. My relative spends months every summer studying flow rates in Iceland, among other things. It's pretty funny that you think you're just as qualified to tell her she's dead wrong.


Not off the cuff, dear. Perhaps you should take up your argument with the US Geological Survey. Or at least read the link I posted above to their Alaska glacier faq page.

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Your own source about the Alaskan glaciers, CTD, said most are quite young, not all. This is why Alaskan ice cores from some select areas show a climatic record dating back one or two thousand years. And why scientists understand that they would not be able to obtain dates from there which are older than this. Ice cores from Antarctica and China, however, have been dated to several hundred thousand years before the present. The article I linked to earlier explains some of the dating methods that are used, and a general search including Wikipedia will provide information too.


I repeat, take your argument to the USGS. I'm sure they would be real interested to hear that you have some information about glaciers in Alaska that they are unaware of.

... and now she has ice in Antarctica and China dating back several hundred thousand years !!<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bibi.gif" alt="" />

Perhaps data that appears to correlate in varves or tree rings is simply wishful thinking. Perhaps climate in places is not all that different from year to year. Perhaps even the earth itself for some strange reason in some strange places, unbeknownst to the people sitting in the hotsprings drinking their margueritas, is separated from the core of the earth and truly is frozen, which is why ice never melts in that peculiar spot... And a plane under 250 feet of thousands of year old ice is a scientific miracle!

Tell ya what, why don't you simply follow the examples of everyone else here and post real life examples of your ideas instead of just posting your ideas as proof of nothing all the time? RAZD's data may not be fully accurate according to other data and real life examples but at least he makes an effort to back his ideas up with more than dreaming. You might consider following his example to avoid tempting another dumb argument about your insistent lies and hippocritical methods. I've noticed your sister in law hasn't bothered to show up and support your statements either so chances are excellent you are as confused about information she may have mentioned to you in passing at Thanksgiving dinner 2 years ago as you are about what the USGS has determined about the age of glacial ice in Alaska and the contention between scientists who consider ice flow and those who appear to be completely unaware of it. Like Al Gore for instance, you know him, the global warming scientist that was vice pres for a bit... he said he invented the internet too (go ahead quote him), you've heard of him by now... the guy that thinks you should pay taxes to stop the atmosphere from getting too warm and the sun from shining too brightly so that all that hundreds of thousand year old ice can stay just where it was last time he looked.

Things are really going to come to a head when AL goes around to all those mountain top hot spring resorts and tries to shut them ice melting filthy CO2 generators down, tellin ya.