more testimonials here : http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/Chelation_products.html#NDF
this is a good one:

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Probiotics or not, NDF+ can cause a sudden mobilization of metals
in the
brain with serious effects. That may have been what happened with
me, even
though I believe it methylated mercury in my gut. I had ramped up >to 3
droppers of NDF per day and was feeling better than I had in ages
when I
accidentally picked up the wrong bottle and took 3 droppers of NDF >PLUS
instead.

Every minute of my day has been trying to stay alive since >then,
seizures, lack of coordination, muscle tremors, tunnel vision, >failing
eyesight, slurred speech, parkinsons like walk, and many other
symptoms that
have worsened in the last 6 months.
I suspect that it is the cilantro in the NDF that causes the sudden
mobilization of metals. Anyone who uses this product is taking the
risk that the cilantro will move metals INTO the brain. In fact it is
most likely that the metals will go into the brain. The consequences
can be sudden and dramatic - like Gary has reported, like I have
experienced personally - or develop slowly over time. Any amount of
lies and hype from the company does not change the fact that the
ingredients have not been researched properly and the product is not
safe for human consumption. It really bothers me when I see people
promoting this product for use with children.
Linda J
--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Littleton" <gary@g...> wrote:

Hi Tami,

It is my understanding that NDF+ does contain live probiotics from
talking
with NDF+ developer Timothy Ray. Also the description says NDF+ contains
everything that NDF has plus "predigested drainage" which would be a
live
culture, just like the whey in yogurt would contain the probiotic
bacteria
that is digesting the yogurt. In addition the description reads that it
contains suspended probiotics.

Here is the bioray description:
----
NDF Plus is a patent pending, proven dietary supplement for the
treatment of
heavy metal and chemical toxicity. It contains NDF plus fulvic acid
complexes and concentrates of probiotic predigested drainage and support
ingredients including agaricus blazei and milk thistle.

The fulvic acid restores the electrical potential of the system and thus
allows for improved utilization of the ingredients. NDF Plus also
contains
suspended probiotics for enhanced nutritional support.
----

Probiotics or not, NDF+ can cause a sudden mobilization of metals in the
brain with serious effects. That may have been what happened with
me, even
though I believe it methylated mercury in my gut. I had ramped up to 3
droppers of NDF per day and was feeling better than I had in ages when I
accidentally picked up the wrong bottle and took 3 droppers of NDF PLUS
instead. Every minute of my day has been trying to stay alive since
then,
seizures, lack of coordination, muscle tremors, tunnel vision, failing
eyesight, slurred speech, parkinsons like walk, and many other
symptoms that
have worsened in the last 6 months.

NDF+ and NDF are very powerful, but as you indicated you need to be VERY
VERY careful. There really should be an NDF backfire site to warn people
about the possible effects, as bioray doesn't emphasize this enough.
I think
this is why they took their message boards down and also why Timothy Ray
(who had offerred to tutor me on BTM) abruptly quit answering my emails
after I starting having worse symptoms.

Cheers,
Gary

_____

From: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Tami Wilken
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:30 AM
To: Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Autism-Mercury] Re: Anyone How does this protocal
sound?/Melinda


Melinda,

NDF PLUS does not have live probiotics in it. The "probiotics" in
both the NDF and NDF PLUS are cell wall broken (dead). They are
there to push out the bad bacteria and prepare the gut for
recolonization with live probiotics after the initial phase of detox
is over. They do not methylate mercury. Only live probiotics do
that.

The NDF is stronger and chelates 25% more than the NDF+ does. IT is
intended more for those who have been recently exposed. It raises
the beta waves.

The NDF+ is a milder chelator. IT has added liver/kidney support
and additional fulvic acids. It is the one recommended for the more
debilitated patients with low battery focus. And also the one
recommended for those with neurological conditions like autism.
NDF+ raises the beta and theta waves.

Since everyone has a different tolerance of detox, toxic exposure,
and pH, it is suggested to start very slow. Any aggravations seen
using the NDF PLUS or NDF, if not allergy related, would be dose
related. One child may tolerate 1 drop of NDF PLUS to start while
another could tolerate 5 drops to start. Still another would need a
diluted dose (1 drop of NDF PLUS in 8 ounce glass of distilled water
starting at 1/4 teaspoon of this). Recommended dose is not due to
weight but to the response of the current dose. You want it high
enough to see good things but low enough so NO aggravations are
seen. Since the body doesn't heal as well while it's under stress,
Dr Ray states on healthydetox.org that it is important to keep the
dose where you see no aggravations.

Dr Ray states,
"Taking normal chlorella is the equivalent of
trying to get the nutritional value out of
swallowing a potato whole, compared to
chewing mashed potatoes, that are
"predigested", full of bio-available nutrients,
and beneficial for the gut and colon.
The predominant route of excretion of
heavy metals & chemicals when using
NDFT & NDF PlusT is via the urine,
decreasing the possibility of resorption
through the bowel and decreasing the
burden on the liver. NDFT & NDF PlusT
do not remove necessary and beneficial
minerals from the body as do other
chelators."

Here are the ingredients of NDF PLUS vs NDF.

NDFT Ingredients: Nanocolloidal cell wall
decimated Yaeyama Chlorella, Nanocolloidal
Organic Cilantro, 12 strains of cell wall broken
beneficial lactobacillus, 3 strains of cell wall
broken bifidobacterium, Silica, 18% grain neutral
(gluten free) spirits.

NDF PlusT Ingredients: Contains all of the
above ingredients plus, fulvic acid complexes &
concentrates of PolyFlorT predigested agaricus
blazei, ganoderma lucidum, cordyceps sinensis,
milk thistle seeds, horsetail herb, Silica, 18%
grain neutral (gluten free) spirits.

Keeping a healthy pH, like Gary said, is essential for heavy metal
detox. By addressing the liver dysfunctions and pH issues before
detoxing, there will be less aggravations (even with prescription
chelators) than trying to chelate with a acidic body and alkaline
urine. Alkaline urine means that your body is holding onto acids.
Disease, parasites, bacteria and yeast all thrive in acidic
environment and cannot survive in alkaline environments. Acids are
drained from the body through the urine, that's why the urine should
be acidic.

The first morning urine should be between 5.8-6.0 and the saliva
should be between 6.8-7.2. If it's not, Liver Life is recommended
before any heavy metal detox. Continue Liver Life until your first
morning urine pH is consistently in the appropriate range. Liver
Life is not needed if your first morning urine pH remains between
5.8-6.0 for 7 days after discontinuing the Liver LIfe. IT is
recommended to test first morning urine pH periodically (once a
week), even after stopping Liver Life to be sure it remains at a
healthy level.

My son and I have both been taking NDF+ for years. I had Myasthenia
Gravis (after removing mercury fillings) and my son, Gavin was
diagnosed with PDD-NOS at 18 months old. We have both recovered so
much thanks to many different biomedical treatments including
BioRay's NDF, NDF PLUS and Liver Life. In fact, I wasn't able to
tolerate NDF until just recently when I added in Liver Life and got
my pH to a healthy level. I could always tolerate the PLUS. My son
can now tolerate high doses of both since getting his first morning
urine pH at a healthy level as well.

I've been collecting info on the NDF and PLus for a few years now.
I can honestly say, I haven't met(online or off) anyone that has had
a negative reaction that wasn't dose related. Meaning that it
didn't go away when the dose was lowered. But I am absolutely not
saying bad reactions don't happen. I am 100% positive they do.
That is why I think it's important to start slow and figure out the
appropriate dose with your child.

I was fortunate enough to write a protocol for the use of NDF+ and
NDF for the autism community that has been pretty effective and best
of all, safe.

I don't post here much but I read often. If you need any help
figuring out the dose, I'd be more than willing to share what I
know. There is also a new yahoo group that has been made available
for anyone who wants to share their experiences or just research the
products. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/BioRaynaturaldetox

There are many parents on www.autismweb.com posting their
experiences with NDF's as well.

I do agree with Linda that the TD DMPS dosing is much more effective
(for my son) using the 3 days on 4 days off protocol. We went from
42 drops every other day to 2-3 drops every 3 hours for three days,
then four days off. It made more sense and we got less highs and
lows in regards to my son's emotions.

I hope this is helpful. ANd no matter which route you take, I hope
your sweet child recovers.

My best,
Tami W
-Gavin's mom, 7 years old
vaccine injured, recovering from
mercury induced autism through biomedical
-BioRay customer support
for the asd community


--- In Autism-Mercury@yahoogroups.com, "Gary Littleton" <gary@g...>
wrote:

I just want to back Linda up here. I know of several people, one
girl in
particular, that has been bedridden for 2 years after doing NDF+.

I have been trying to get well since last June when I accidentally
took NDF+
instead of NDF. NDF+ has live probiotics and when swallowed can
break the
cell wall of candida in the stomach and methylate it. I have gotten
progressively worse since then, pain and buring all over, loss of
coordination, tunnel vision, seizures, loss of muscle control,
etc. Only
doing the DMSA every 3-4 hours has started to turn things around,
and it's
taken 4 rounds of it (a week each) to see some improvement.

In my experience you can ONLY take NDF or NDF+ when your urine ph
is below
your saliva ph, and then you should only try NDF, and then only a
single
drop. Usually you can tell even doing a single drop the effect in
10
minutes.

If I were dead set on trying NDF+, I would not under any
circumstances
swallow it. I would just do a drop under my tongue, as that
targets the
blood first.

When I started having seizures I would try NDF+, which would stop
them for
an hour or so, and then they would come back worse. Also that
feeling of
recirculating metals that is very common (where your heart beats
hard or
erratically, and you feel waves of vibration or electricity in
your body)
NDF+ would clear for 30 minutes and then it would come back twice
as bad.

Cheers,
Gary
http://onibasu.com/archives/am/161899.html

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