Linda, whatever sosick believes is her business. I see what she's getting at. No amount of worldy achievements or brandishing Phd's is going to get a person into Heaven. What matters is what we do with those achievements for the good of our fellow man. In and of themselves? They are nothing, no matter how much the person boasts. Used to the good? They become like gold. However, Christ is the way and makes it possible for us to be cleansed of sin. So our good actions become meritable. We reject that offer to our own peril. I am not talking about those that are unaware or who have been deeply scarred or hurt. Only God can read the human heart and I'm in no position to judge.

Even Jesus said "not all who cry Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but those that do the will of my Father". Praising and praying, are not narcissistic wishes of a self centered God, but rather the joys of a Creator in His creation. Praising God is extremely powerful, even in the midst of sorrow and suffering because we ought to praise Him. He suffered death on our behalf, and has bought for us eternal life. What's there not to praise?

Again, I'm stating this from my own belief, because you have enquired. Not shoving it down your throat, so I'm just making that clear. I don't think we are nothing in God's eyes, but our sins are a stench to His nostrils, which is why He sent His only son to die, so that we could be forgiven and cleansed. We will always fall over, but the offer is always there so we can get back up. Our sins are damaging, they are the enemy, Christ is the remedy. But Linda there is so much more than this that is preached from the pulpit and it's far from doom and gloom, but rather uplifting and full of hope. It's not called the "Good News" for nothing.

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Bex, I've also made the point to Russ several times over that entire websites and links do not constitute proof. I do not go to the trouble of explaining in detail -- for example, the structure of the eye -- and be told in reply "look up this link." In a debate you provide evidence in your own words, showing that you understand it, can select it appopriately, and summarise it. This is why long quotes pasted from other websites don't count as evidence either.


Linda, when Russ was talking in his own words, you then said you wanted it backed up by websites/links or whatever. Then when any are given, you complain about it and say you're not going to wade your way through tons of information..... Russ has provided so much already in his posts, both of his own learning and sources of information. You've accused me also of copying and pasting, even when I wasn't. I couldn't win. I don't claim to understand absolutely everything either, I am not a scientist. So I do need to get information from other sources sometimes, just as you all do.

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Did she say outright that bad things happen to people because they are not in God's good books? No, it's true she didn't.

Then you said she implied it. Linda, be that as it may, it's speculation. Yes she may well have implied it. People have their own ideas about suffering. I know what I feel about it. We were told to take up our cross.

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Finally, your points about Hovind. Please prove that he knows more about science than me. I keep asking people here to present evidence of his expertise but usually as a reply Russ directs me to his website, or a long video which I will not watch. I want to see specific evidence here that he actually does know what he's talking about.

Linda, Kent Hovind has taught maths and science in Highschool for fifteen years. He may not have the highest qualifications, but has an excellent basic understanding of science and is more than able to point out the long since disproven fakes still turning up in textbooks, especially to the layperson. E.g. the long since disproven horse evolution theory continued to turn up, even at a museum. In full knowledge of the fact it had been disproven, the museum continued to keep it up there, because schools would go through and they did not want to discontinue indocrinating students. It was removed when enough people complained, but once it blew over, they put it back up again. These are the kinds of games that Kent is exposing. He's not removing science Linda, he's just exposing the lies that continue to turn up in modern day textbooks. That's all!

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And about public debates -- surely you realise that they are exercises in public speaking. While Hovind is a scientific ignoramus, I have to admit that he is a master of rhetoric. However, as we all know from salesmen, the gift of gab does not guarantee truth.

This is not an exercise is in presentation of oral and salesman skills, it is an exercise in presentation based on facts. This is a cop out Linda and tries to explain away the fact that evolutionists do not have a leg to evolve on when confronted by basic fallacies that Kent, who is often less qualified, faces them with it head on. The evolutionists who disagree with him, gave up debating him, unable to refute or diflect his message, and instead resorted to the refuge of the internet to concentrate their efforts on character assassination. Using every means possible to attack him and his education. Why can't they face him in public and cause a public meltdown of him Linda if they have their facts straight?

Kent has offered to debate more than one evolutionist in one sitting, now you're trying to say that though kent is a scientific ignoramus, he just has the gift of the gab, which is why he does so well in live debates. Another cop out. You call him dishonest, you ought to find out why the evolutionists refuse to come out from hiding and publicly humiliate him, when he's literally invited them and opened the door to do so.

If their theories hold ground and are solid science, they would very easily and very quickly tear him publicly apart, regardless of debating skills, honesty and facts is what prevails and if scientists debating him really had that going for them, they would not even need to resort to defaming their opponent with childish insults. True scientists would debate the issues, not personality or schooling.

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b]While Patriot Bible University. would rather not have to endure the slander that comes from Dr. Hovind’s critics, we also see God’s marvelous hand in this. Both Dr. Hovind and Patriot Bible University have gained international recognition and applause in the Christian community because his critics have resorted to these tactics. Many people have said Patriot Bible University must be having a significant impact in God’s kingdom if they are drawing such opposition over one graduate![/b]


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