(Backbone of creationist's beliefs thread. Post #252082)
OK, I'll clarify my comments 100%. I was not referring to you at all Bex. Nor was I insulting Christians. I had two people in mind, no more: SoSick and Russ, as Pwcca rightly guessed (spot on, and thanks for digging out the quotes). This should come as no surprise to anyone who's been reading their messages here. Both claim they have a special connection with God and that he reveals special things to them. They have claimed that bad things happen because people deserve them; they apparently have done something against God. We had this conversation a few months ago.
Here is what sosick really said in regards to being accused of having "divine knowledge"
(backbone of creationist's belief thread. Post #244784)
hmmm... now I cannot claim to have 'divine knowledge' but I do for sure have knowledge of the divine, aka, God, Jesus etc..
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Certainly you have nothing to back up your claim of anybody stating that bad things happen to people because they deserve it. Another attempt at blackening their characters and no doubt Christianity, though you claim otherwise. Here is yet another previous attempt.
Taken from the abortion/evolution thread. (#250605)
I grew up with a religion that told me exactly that: I am a sinning piece of dirt in constant need of God's forgiveness. This is why Catholics go to confession.
No religions I know of, Catholicism included, preaches this. Show me where in the Catholic Catechism, or the bible where it tells you that? Who are the preacher/evangelists that have said this? And you say you've read the bible? Seems to me that misrepresentation/manipulation is part of your tactic. You'll never mention the Christian organisations around the world daily who are helping the "so-called pieces of dirt or refuge", because they are trying to imitate Christ. You also have indicated you believe or are open to reincarnation? Do you realise that the very accusations you've made against some of the Chrsitians on here actually apply to reincarnation? Do you realise that suffering and misfortune are taken as righting the wrongs you did in a previous life? That people deserve what they get? Are you also aware that Mother Teresa and her nuns picked the sick and starving and dying off the streets and fed and nursed them because these poor sods (reguge of society) own people decided through reincarnation that they were only getting what they deserved! Start getting the accusations accurate Linda. Suffering and misfortune are not always a punishment from God, but often a result of our own sins (be it sexual promiscuity or other - e.g. aids) or the result of other people's sins (again e.g. aids etc). The innocent often suffer what they clearly do not deserve (only have to look at Christ on the cross). And even if the person is guilty? Christianty preaches that you do not judge, but rather show the person the right way. If they wish to spit venom, shake the dust from your feet Christ says and move on. Stop misrepresenting it for your own personal agenda.
Here is another quote that isn't just about hitting back at the person you're responding to, but slipping God in there and seemingly defaming Him also:
Tell me this: What matters more? That your worldly achievements include inventions that have helped people or even saved lives, that you'd led them to stand up for their rights, that you've touched individual lives by doing charity work or caring for friends and family in difficult times? Or that you've been kneeling in church and mouthing platitudes to a God who is apparently so narcissistic that all he cares about is how much he is worshipped? I think what we do here on earth, especially with/for other people, is worth a great deal. What else is the point in being here?
Each and everytime someone has been able to provide quotes that you have not wanted to see, (embarrassing and revealing quotes by evolutionists etc) you have tried to discredit this, referring to it "quote mining" and made it out to be irrevelant and an unfair practise. Yet you praise Pwcca in the top quote
"I had two people in mind, no more: SoSick and Russ, as Pwcca rightly guessed (spot on, and thanks for digging out the quotes)."Suddenly quote digging becomes relevant when you decide it is. But irrelevant when it's something that doesn't suit you.
Example of your "quote mine" putdowns.
"where did Cain find His Wife thread. Post #247401)
People who quote-mine are deliberately trying to mislead people about what scientists are saying. If you endorse this process then I think you need to ask yourself why you also want to engage in the dishonest process of misrepresenting people's views.
(where did cain find his wife thread. Post #247429)
Quote mining is a dishonest practice. It misrepresents the scientists’ ideas.
And there's plenty more statements where that came from. I will hunt down the other post where you responded to one of Russ' posts by asking him to back it up with the quote! Yet when they're provided, you try to invalidate them. In fact, you can't really invalidate a quote because it's a statement, not a secondhand relation of a story as you've mostly given on here.
Here is an example of your provocative and sometimes downright insulting tones:
(Why are there no pro-evolution locked threads: #249126
The fact of the matter remains that you simply cannot respond in a logical or scientific way to sensible challenges to the nonsense you are posting, which is why you will not allow anyone to post a challenge in the first place.
(#249151)
Poor persecuted Christians, not being allowed to claim creationism as science in schools or museums. Presumably there are no private Christian schools, and Ken Ham's museum is just a myth.
Linda once again pre-judging Russ before knowing the reasons:
I can't see how the discussions here are taking up that much space. Russ if you don't want to run this part of the forum anymore, or if you want to turn it into a creationists area and exclude all other views, why not just be honest and say so? First you lock threads, then you lock the Post option; what next I wonder?
Linda complains about sosick insulting her yet here is how she describes Hovind:
I've invited Russ several times to read Buddika's creationist lies index and discover the myriad ways that Hovind is an idiot and a fraud.
(fundamentals thread #249035)
All you need to do to see how little "Dr." Hovind, high school physics teacher, actually knows about science, is visit Buddika's creationist lies index. The idiot thinks the sun burns by combustion.
(from the "left-over turkey Turn into oil. post #246379)
Oh no, I'd forgotten it's that stupid idiot Hovind again.
later on the "leftover Turkey thread post #246782):
I have not called you stupid, nor will you find me calling anyone stupid on a forum. You seem to think it's OK to do this yourself though
( Leftover Turkey, turn it into oil thread. Post #247384)
And yes, if you can find one instance where I called someone on the forum an idiot, post it and show everyone. I don't do that kind of thing
My etiquette on forums is very good almost all of the time. Sometimes everyone, even moderators, lets things slip that they shouldn't. But on the whole I stick to the subject, do not make generalisations about people's personalities, state of sanity, or degree of godliness.
Riiight....well that being the case, then why do you accuse others of doing this? When clearly you've been far from angelic.
Continually criticising Russ' post techniques/information, as either flimsy or too much information for you to wade through. Even though the information has provided videos, links, websites, quotes, Russ' own personal comments from what he's picked up and learnt over the years, to which your posts have not even come close in my opinion. Russ has consistently and repeatedly passed on a wealth of information. Here is another example of the fact that you cannot be pleased.
(taken from Leftover Turkey thread, post #247315)
Over and over what I am reading here is people making vague assertions, not bothering to back them up with evidence or even a citation from a website or a link or a study, and then telling me they are tired of me telling them they have not actually given any evidence or explained anything. As I said earlier, if there are no forthcoming answers to the set of questions I gave a few posts back, then I will assume no one here is capable of answering them. It's OK, the creationist leaders can't do it either and they're the supposed experts.
Then when links and websites are provided, here is the response:
(Backbone of Creationists beliefs thread. Post #244448)
Russ, I've said that it isn't my job to refute entire websites and videos, and other people have already done this. It is rather disingenuous to tell me to "see this," post a link in a second or two, and then expect me to spend hours refuting it. That is why I have asked if we can discuss specific examples here. And also because I'd like to hear your personal questions, as I don't know what you do and don't understand about the issues in question.
Hypocrisy in action after ongoing character assassinations against Russ and ignoring much of the information provided in his posts:: (from Evolution and the Big Lie #247923 )
The distraction and character assassination occuring here are more attempts to get away from the facts, which are these: plenty have been presented in evidence of evolution, and zero in evidence of creationism.
Again, another example of a complete contradiction in terms. Turn that around and you get closer to the truth <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />.
(What exactly is abiogenesis thread. Post #252084)
I also have to say I see a double standard. His comments were inflamatory, which he has acknowledged, but they don't hold a candle to some of the infantile insults I've had from SoSick time after time after time. May I ask why she's allowed to do this when others are reprimanded?
In light of what I've read from you on these threads Linda, you're guilty of this very problem.
Because of your ongoing nit-pickings, I have wasted a lot of my time to prove to you that your own behaviour needs to be checked before lashing out or blaming sosick or Russ or whoever else that opposes your views and hits back when you become patronising or provocative/insulting.
If anybody is still blinded by your apparent near guiltlessness, I hope this will clear that up. Nobody is guilt free on here Linda, but when you make out that it's the few Christians on here that have said this or said that, or do this or do that, hoping to blacken characters and no doubt create more allies, then you need to be nailed yourself!
