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Thank you, SoSick, for taking the time to answer my post. Evolution is .... (insert definition of the process of evolution) You didn't give me one to insert. You have to choose one for me don't you? . Actually, because it is your argument it is therefore necessarily based on what your understanding of evolution was before I answered. If you don't have one I can understand why you might be confused. In fact there are several reasons that many people are confused, and part of this is caused by using “evolution” to mean several things. From the dictionary we get: ev·o·lu·tion –noun 1. A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See Synonyms at development. 2. . . a. The process of developing. . . b.. Gradual development. . . c. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species. . . d. The historical development of a related group of organisms; phylogeny. 3. Biology. . a. Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species. . . b. The historical development of a related group of organisms; phylogeny. 4. A movement that is part of a set of ordered movements. 5. Mathematics The extraction of a root of a quantity. (American Heritage Science Dictionary, 2007) Definition 1 is the original usage and it was applied to embryology by scientists, including Haeckel and his critics, to describe fetal development, and before it was applied to Darwinism. Darwin never used evolution IIRC. Definition 3 is obviously the one that would apply today to biological life, with 3a being applied at the microevolution scale and 3b being applied at the macroevolution scale. This is the definition of evolution as a process, something that happens and that can be observed happening or to have happened (ie instances of evolution that are a fact). But evolution is also a theory and a science, and it is easy to muddle the three together when one is not being careful, and this results in careless equivocation between the meanings. This is another reason I asked for your definition, to make sure we were talking about the same evolution (I hold scientists and the media responsible for not paying more attention to this part of the problem). To clarify what I mean, I use “evolution” for the process (through the action of any of several mechanisms, including mutation, natural selection, genetic drift and epigenetic factors), I use “the theory of evolution” or “ToE” to talk about the theory, and I use “evolutionary biology” to talk about the science that studies evolution (the process), tests the ToE, makes predictions, and studies the theories (based on evidence) for different mechanisms that cause or modify evolution, and that tests the overall theory with the natural history of the diversity of life that we know from the present day, history, the fossil record and genetics. Perhaps that will help you formulate how to express your understanding of evolution as used in your initial essay, perhaps not. For instance, are you talking about teaching evolutionary biology, the study of the changes in life, or are you talking about teaching about the process of evolution - the change in hereditary traits in populations from generation to generation? I will take the rest of your post as agreement that your second post did not answer the question I had about your first post. Thank you. Can you explain how there is a link between these killings and teaching evolution? The place to start is with your definition of evolution that the argument was based on, and then develop the logic to the necessary result in these killings. If you don't have a valid and sound logical argument, then I think an apology posted for the readers of this thread would be in order, don't you? Enjoy.
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The cost of Evolution, and other things.
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SoSick
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12/12/07 04:30 PM
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Re: The cost of Evolution, and other things.
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Kitsune
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12/12/07 06:06 PM
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RAZD
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12/12/07 10:44 PM
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Russ
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12/12/07 11:26 PM
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SomedaySoon
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12/12/07 11:50 PM
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RAZD
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12/13/07 01:20 AM
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SoSick
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12/13/07 04:15 AM
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Bex
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12/13/07 05:16 AM
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Kitsune
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12/13/07 08:07 AM
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RAZD
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12/13/07 08:16 AM
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SoSick
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12/13/07 12:36 PM
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SoSick
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12/13/07 12:51 PM
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RAZD
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12/13/07 08:10 PM
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SoSick
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12/13/07 09:24 PM
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RAZD
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12/14/07 12:28 AM
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Russ
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12/14/07 12:33 AM
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RAZD
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12/14/07 01:49 AM
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SoSick
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12/14/07 02:11 AM
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SoSick
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12/14/07 02:33 AM
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RAZD
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12/14/07 03:13 AM
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SoSick
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12/14/07 03:36 AM
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Re: The cost of false premises, poor logic and weak personal ethics
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RAZD
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12/15/07 05:17 AM
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Re: The cost of false premises, poor logic and weak personal ethics
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SoSick
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12/15/07 05:30 AM
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More dodging of the issue.
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RAZD
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12/15/07 06:37 AM
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Re: More dodging of the issue.
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SoSick
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12/16/07 09:57 AM
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STILL dodging the issues
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RAZD
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12/16/07 03:10 PM
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Re: More Delusional Science
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SoSick
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12/21/07 03:31 AM
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Re: The cost of Evolution, and other things.
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SoSick
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12/14/07 03:51 AM
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SoSick
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12/14/07 04:09 AM
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church vs. Church
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Russ
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12/14/07 04:22 AM
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Re: church vs. Church
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SoSick
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12/14/07 04:51 AM
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Re: church vs. Church - is there ONE?
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RAZD
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12/15/07 06:07 AM
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Re: The cost of Evolution, and other things.
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SoSick
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12/14/07 01:13 AM
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So, Do Cell Really Turn Into Men?
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Russ
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12/14/07 12:21 AM
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bluescat48
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12/13/07 01:41 PM
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SoSick
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12/13/07 02:58 PM
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