http://www.bible.ca/tracks/dp-geol-column.htm (click on link if you wish to see the video on record of the rocks).
I am sure Linda will bring up the "mining for quotes" comment again, but these are for anybody else's interest, because it should show how fragile the evolution belief actually is, to where they continue to say "well, this is outdated". when faced with quotes like this. To call these things outdated doesn't do the cause any good, considering the foundation for evolution was built on past beliefs.... Linda, if you're going to swing the "out of date" comment at me again, you may as well throw the three founders out too while you're at it - Charles Lyell (Lawyer) - 1830 'The principles of Geology' - (inventor of geologic column). Charles Darwin (theologian)1859 - 'Origin of Species'. James Hutton ('uniformaterialism' - late 1700s). All were clearly unqualified amatuers in the scientific field like yourself Linda and the rest of us!
In fact, truth never becomes out dated or old fashioned. Rather, it would seem the evolutionist relies on design! creating new and improved ways to tell old lies. Truth is independent of age.
Please excuse the long post, it is made up mainly of quotes!
THE RECORD OF THE ROCKS Does Not Support Evolution But Is Positive Evidence For Creation!
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Record of the Rocks
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THE RECORD OF THE ROCKS Complete Geologic Column Is Non-Existent, Except In Text Books
NOT REALLY ANYWHERE ! Von Engeln & Caster, "If a pile were to be made by using the greatest thickness of sedimentary beds of each geological age, it would be at least 100 miles high. ...It is, of course, impossible to have even a considerable fraction of this great pile available at any one place. The Grand Canyon of the Colorado, for example, is only one mile deep." GEOLOGY, p.417
COLUMN IS A CONSTRUCT, DEREK AGER (Past President, British Geological Association) "Nowhere in the world is the record, or even part of it, anywhere near complete." THE NEW CATASTROPHISM, 1993, p.14
CONCEPTUAL–NOT ACTUAL , "The end product of correlation is a mental abstraction called the geological column." p.779, 1985, Encyclopedia Britannica
COMPLETE COLUMN IS PIECED TOGETHER BY CIRCULAR LOGIC BUILT BY CORRELATION , L. Don Leet (Harvard) & Sheldon Judson (Princeton), "Because we cannot find sedimentary rocks representing all of earth time neatly in one convenient area, we must piece together the rock sequence from locality to locality. This process of tying one rock sequence in one place to another in some other place is known as correlation, from the Latin for 'together' plus 'relate.'" Physical Geology, p.181
BY THE FOSSILS , Stephen M. Stanley, Johns Hopkins Univ., "...most geologic correlations are still based on fossil occurrences. This is true not only because fossils are more common in sedimentary rocks than are radioactive elements, but also because the analysis of fossils usually allows for greater accuracy." EARTH AND LIFE THROUGH TIME, 1986, p.123
NON-RADIOACTIVE CORRELATION , Derek Ager (Past Pres., British Geol. Asso.) "...fossils have been and still are the best and most accurate method of dating and correlating the rocks in which they occur ...I can think of no cases of radioactive decay being used to date fossils.", New Scientist, 11/10/82, p.425
BUILDING THE COLUMN, Putman & Bassett, "A rock that had an early form of an organism was clearly older than rocks containing later forms. Furthermore, all rocks that had the early form, no matter how far apart those rocks were geographically, would have to be the same age. ...fossil successions made it possible to say that the Cambrian rocks are older than the Ordovician rocks. In this way our geologic time table came into being. ...Without the theory of evolution and the interdisciplinary science of paleontology, it could not exist." Geology, p.544
CIRCULAR ARGUMENTATION R. H. Rastal, Cambridge, "It cannot be denied that from a strictly philosophical standpoint geologists are here arguing in a circle. The succession of organisms has been determined by a study of their remains embedded in the rocks, and the relative ages of the rocks are determined by the organisms that they contain." ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNIA, Vol.X, p.168
Tom Kemp, Oxford, "A circular argument arises: Interpret the fossil record in the terms of a particular theory of evolution, inspect the interpretation, and note that it confirms the theory. Well, it would, wouldn't it?" New Scientist, Vol.108, Dec.5, 1985, p. 67
J. E. O'Rourke, "The rocks do date the fossils, but the fossils date the rocks more accurately. Stratigraphy cannot avoid this kind of reasoning, if it insists on using only temporal concepts, because circularity is inherent in the derivation of time scales." American Journal of Science, Vol. 276, p.51
D. B. KITTS, U. of OK., "But the danger of circularity is still present. ..The temporal ordering of biological events beyond the local section may critically involve paleontological correlation...for almost almost all contemporary paleontologist it rest upon the acceptance of the evolutionary hypothesis." Evolution V.28, p.466
David M. Raup, U. of Chicago; Field Museum of N.H., "The charge that the construction of the geologic scale involves circularity has a certain amount of validity. ...Thus, the procedure is far from ideal and the geologic ranges are constantly being revised (usually extended) as new occurrences are found." Field Museum Of Natural History Bulletin, Vol.54, Mar.1983, p.21
LIVING FOSSILS UNFOSSILIZED FOR HOW LONG? NO REAL ANSWER, NILES ELDRIDGE , Curator, American Museum Of Natural History, "...there seems to have been almost no change in any part we can compare between the living organism and its fossilized progenitors of the remote geological past. Living fossils embody the theme of evolutionary stability to an extreme degree. ....We have not completely solved the riddle of living fossils." FOSSILS, 1991, p.101, 108
Neopilina , Niles Eldridge, Curator, American Museum Of Natural History, "...were thought to have been extinct by the end of the Middle Devonian [385 MYA]. Modern Neopilina species, however, were dredged from the deep oceans in the 1950’s..." FOSSILS, 1991, p.101
Gingko, P. Arduini & G. Teruzzi, "The Gingko biloba is the sole surviving species of a very old group of gymnosperms which died out 100 million years ago." PREHISTORIC ATLAS, 1982, p.78
Coelacanth, Keith S. Thomson, Ex. Officer, Academy of Natural Sciences, "Off the coast of southern Africa, in the winter of 1938, a fishing boat called The Nerine dragged from the Indian Ocean near the Chalumna River a fish thought to be extinct for 70 million years. The fish was a coelacanth, an animal that thrived concurrently with dinosaurs..." LIVING FOSSIL, 1991, From book cover
Horseshoe Crab, Keith S. Thomson, Ex. Officer, Academy of Natural Sciences, The first members of this group appeared some 424 million years ago in the Silurian and look quite like the modern forms. The last fossils became extinct about 50 million years ago." LIVING FOSSIL, 1991, p.72
Dawn Redwood, Keith S. Thomson, Ex. Officer, Academy of Natural Sciences, This species was widespread and reasonably common in the Pliocene of North America... The tree was thought to be extinct worldwide until living specimens were found in central China in 1945." LIVING FOSSIL, 1991, p.72
Graptolites, Sue Rigby, British Geol. Survey, "All paleontologist dream of finding a 'living fossil.' Noel Dilly, it seems has done so... As graptolites are arguably the most important zone fossils of the Lower Palaeozoic (570-360 MYBP), this is far from an esoteric issue." Nature, Vol.363, p.209, 3/18/'93
NO FOSSILS FOR HOW LONG? Sydney, Australia (AP) 12/15/1994 "David Noble was out on a holiday hike when he stepped off the beaten path and into the prehistoric age...standing amid trees thought to have disappeared 150 million years ago. ‘The discovery is the equivalent of finding a small dinosaur still alive on the earth,’ said Carrick Chambers, Director of the Royal Botanic Gardens."
Falsification Is Theoretically Simple But Practically, Very Difficult
EVOLUTION IS falsifiable ,
Richard Dawkins , Oxford, "If a single, well verified mammal skull were to turn up in 500 million year old rocks, our whole modern theory of evolution would be utterly destroyed. Incidentally, this is a sufficient answer to the canard, put about by creationist and their journalistic fellow travelers, that the whole theory of evolution is an 'unfalsifiable' tautology. Ironically, it is also the reason why creationist are so keen on the fake human footprints, which were carved during the depression to fool tourist, in the dinosaur beds of Texas," THE BLIND WATCHMAKER, 1986, p.225
Evolution tested, Niles Eldridge, Amer.Mus., N.H., "We have been looking at the fossil record as a general test of the notion that life has evolved: to falsify that general idea, we would have to show that forms of life we considered more advanced appear earlier than the simpler forms." MONKEY BUSINESS, p.46, 1982
EXPLAINED AWAY , "Leakey first went to Olduvai Gorge in 1931...to solve the mystery of ‘Oldoway Man,’ a skeleton discovered by a German scientist, Hans Reck, in 1913. The mystery was that the skeleton looked to be completely modern, yet according to Reck it had been excavated from deposits more than a million years old. ...‘Almost certainly this is not contemporary with the fossil deposits of the gorge in which it was found, ...probably represents an intrusive burial.’" [Vacillated several times. DRP] Quoted by Roger Lewin, in Bones of Contention, pp.129-130
"HUMAN FOOTPRINTS FOUND ON DINOSAURS' PLATEAU" "...Turkmenian plateau contains more than three thousand footprints! ...But the most mysterious fact is that among the footprints of dinosaurs, footprints of bare human feet were found!" (from Russian) Komsomolskaya Pravda, 1/ 31/1995
Taylor Trail (Removing Overburden Revealed 14 Human Tracks In R-L Sequence With Dino Tracks)
Burdick Track (Sectioned To Falsify Carving Hypothesis)
9" Cat Track – Fossil Finger – Iron Hammer
Russian Footprints – New Mexico Footprints
Malachite Man – Indian Petroglyphs
Inca Burial Stones, Pottery, Fabric, Figurines – Mexican Figurines
Implications
Ernst Mayr, Harvard, "Creationists have stated that humans and dinosaurs were contemporaries in time...Were this momentous statement true the names of its discoverers would thunder down the corridors of time as individuals who made one of the most outstanding discoveries of the twentieth century." Gish-Mayr Debate, Evansville, Indiana.
STEVEN M. STANLEY, Johns Hopkins Univ., "There is an infinite variety of ways in which, since 1859, the general concept of evolution might have been demolished. Consider the fossil record--a little known resource in Darwin's day. The unequivocal discovery of a fossil population of horses in Precambrian rocks would disprove evolution. More generally, any topsy-turvy sequence of fossils would force us to rethink our theory, yet not a single one has come to light. As Darwin recognized, a single geographic inconsistency would have nearly the same power of destruction." The New Evolutionary Timetable, 1981, p.171
Milne & Schafersman, "Such an occurrence would seriously disrupt conventional interpretations of biological and geological history and would support the doctrines of creationism and catastrophism." Journal Of Geological Education, 1983, p.111
NOVA TV Special, God, Darwin And The Dinosaurs, "...dinosaur footprints, side by side with humans. Finding them would counter evidence that humans evolved long after the dinosaurs became extinct and back up...[the] claim that all species, including man, were created at one time."
Revolution To Catastrophism Among Contemporary Geologist
RECORD IS CATASTROPHIC , David Raup, Chicago Field Museum, Univ. of Chicago, "A great deal has changed, however, and contemporary geologists and paleontologists now generally accept catastrophe as a 'way of life' although they may avoid the word catastrophe... The periods of relative quiet contribute only a small part of the record. The days are almost gone when a geologist looks at such a sequence, measures its thickness, estimates the total amount of elapsed time, and then divides one by the other to compute the rate of deposition in centimeters per thousand years. The nineteenth-century idea of uniformitarianism and gradualism still exist in popular treatments of geology, in some museum exhibits, and in lower level textbooks. ...one can hardly blame the creationists for having the idea that the conventional wisdom in geology is still a noncatastrophic one." Field Museum of Natural History Bulletin (Vol.54, March 1983), p.21
"the rule," Robert H. Dott, Presidential Address To Society of Economic Paleontologists & Mineralogists , "I hope I have convinced you that the sedimentary record is largely a record of episodic events rather than being uniformly continuous. My message is that episodicity is the rule, not the exception. ...we need to shed those lingering subconscious constraints of old uniformitarian thinking." Geotimes, Nov. 1982, p.16
Cataclysmic burial, John R. Horner, "...there were 30 million fossil fragments in that area. At a conservative estimate, we had discovered the tomb of 10,000 dinosaurs [Editorial note: Horner believes they were killed by volcanoes, then later buried by a flood]...there was a flood. This was no ordinary spring flood from one of the streams in the area but a catastrophic inundation. ...That's our best explanation. It seems to make the most sense, and on the basis of it we believe that this was a living, breathing group of dinosaurs destroyed in one catastrophic moment." DIGGING DINOSAURS, 1988, p.131
Alternate Explanation: Universal, Cataclysmic, Year-Long Flood
NICHOLAS STENO (Father of Modern Statigraphy), Dott & Batten, "Besides correctly interpreting fossils, Steno drew some even more important conclusions about the strata in which they occur. The result was formulation of most basic principles for analysis of earth history. Steno showed great insight...Steno's axioms provide the ultimate basis of practically all interpretation of earth history, so their importance can hardly be overemphasized." EVOLUTION OF THE EARTH, p.24
FOREWARD TO "GENESIS FLOOD ," John C. McCampbell, Professor And Head Of Department Of Geology, University of Southeastern Louisiana "[the authors] have clearly shown that the Bible teaches a unique Creation and subsequent worldwide Deluge, and that the major facts of geology and other sciences can be satisfactorily oriented within this framework. The authors have advanced strong arguments against the validity of uniformitarianism and evolutionism as controlling principles in historical geology, and in favor of what they call Biblical catastrophism. From the writers viewpoint as a professional geologist, these explanations and contentions are difficult to accept. For the present at least, although quite ready to recognize the inadequacies of Lyellian uniformitarianism, I would prefer to hope that some other means of harmonization of religion and geology, which retains the essential structure of modern geology, could be found. Nevertheless, the authors have made a strong case and this volume offers a serious challenge to the uniformitarian position. They have in no way distorted this position, but have opposed it in a courteous, fair and scholarly manner. I would suggest that the skeptical reader will find that the essential differences between Biblical catastrophism and evolutionary uniformitarianism are not over the factual data of geology but over the interpretations of those data. The interpretation preferred will depend largely upon the background and presuppositions of the individual student." p.xvii
ORDERED SEQUENCE? David M. Raup, U. of Chicago, Chicago Field Mus. Nat. Hist., "The fossil record of evolution is amenable to a wide variety of models ranging from completely deterministic to completely stochastic." American Scientist, Vol.65, Jan.-Feb. p.57
("stochastic," "...of, pertaining to or arising from chance; involving probability; random..." p.1402, WEBSTER'S NEW WORLD DICTIONARY)
Time Relations? Dunbar & Rogers, "...though facies and faunal relations are recorded in the rocks and fossils, and their determination can be reasonable exact and objective, time relations are not so recorded, and their determination remains an ideal, toward which we strive, but which we can only approximate... It follows that correlation, being...essentially an interpretation, is the result of personal judgment, and that it can never be wholly objective,..." PRINCIPLES OF STRATIGRAPHY, p. 272
SEGREGATED FOSSIL ASSEMBLAGES, Gilluly, Walters, Woodford, "In correlating rock strata by comparison of fossils, it is important to keep in mind the limitations to the spread of organisms imposed by their natural habitats. Many different depositional environments exist...Each environment has its characteristic group of animals and plants, that live contemporaneously...For example, we do not expect to find the bones of antelopes in a coral reef, nor coral in a desert sand dune. ...we would not expect to find the same fossils entombed in all the varied deposits formed." PRINCIPLES OF GEOLOGY, p.101
FOSSIL PROGRESSION? David Raup, Chicago Field Mus., Prof. of Geol., U. of Chicago, "A large number of well-trained scientists outside of evolutionary biology and paleontology have unfortunately gotten the idea that the fossil record is far more Darwinian than it is. This probably comes from the oversimplification inevitable in secondary sources: low-level textbooks, semi-popular articles, and so on. Also, there is probably some wishful thinking involved. In the years after Darwin, his advocates hoped to find predictable progressions. In general, these have not been found–yet the optimism has died hard, and some pure fantasy has crept into textbooks...One of the ironies of the creation-evolution debate is that the creationists have accepted the mistaken notion that the fossil record shows a detailed and orderly progression and they have gone to great lengths to accommodate this 'fact' in their Flood Geology." New Scientist, V.90, p.832, 1981
Geologic Implications Of Vapor Canopy
World-Wide Tropical Climate Larger Plants & Animals Catastrophic Polar Change
Previously Lower Sea Level Lower Carbon 14 Level Origin Of Bedded Limestone
Climate of the Past, Dott and Batten, "Devonian land plants are similar the world over, suggesting that climate was rather uniform. Wide distribution of richly fossiliferous middle Paleozoic marine carbonate rocks, and especially the great latitudinal spread of fossil reefs, suggest subtropical conditions....It has long been felt that the average climate of the earth through time has been milder and more homogeneous than it is today. If so the present certainly is not a very good key to the past in terms of climate!" Evolution of the Earth,p.298
DIFFICULT FOR WHOM? Von Engeln & Caster, "The warm, equable climate, characteristic of the entire Cretaceous, prevailed also over most of the world throughout the Jurassic with, possibly, localized exceptions. This universal tropicallity is difficult to explain." GEOLOGY, p.491
Atmospheric Pressure, & Limestone, W.C.Krumbein, L.L.Sloss, Northwestern Univ., "Changes in atmospheric partial pressures of carbon dioxide produce corresponding changes in carbon dioxide solubility. Because of these relations, there is a direct connection between atmospheric carbon dioxide and the amount of dissolved calcium ion in sea water. ...If the carbon dioxide dissolved in seawater decreases, some bicarbonate ions change to carbonate, thereby causing precipitation of calcium carbonate." STRATIGRAPHY and Sedimentation, p.223
Ancient CO2 Pressure, Clayton J. Yapp & Harold Peths, Dept. Geology, Univ. of New Mexico, "...atmospheric Pco2 [CO2 pressure] was ~16 times higher than today." Ancient Atmospheric CO2 Pressure Inferred from Natural Gothites, Nature, Jan.23, 1992, p.312
