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#28600 12/10/07 11:40 AM
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I do detox baths 3-5 times per week. For me, they are excellent, the hotter the better, the more I sweat the better. They really open up my skin pores, really detox me well, I always benefit from them.

I have done all these baths. Yes…..the ingredients seem strange! Yes……that’s hydrogen peroxide I use that in my baths…. (The hydrogen peroxide you will need to buy the 35pct proof stuff, do not use the 3 or 6 or 9 pct stuff from the local chemist. You can get it on line.)
You can also omit stuff if you don’t have it to hand, i.e. it’s all flexible and you can chop and change stuff around.

I learn these from a strange guy called Askmoreless. He has a thread over on curezone and if u want to investigate these baths more, go over there and have a read.

http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=740

He is a strange one, but his baths rock and roll big style <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/guitarrock.gif" alt="" />

And…..yes…..you have to do the cold shower at the end. 100pct. If you do them real hot and you sweat a lot you need to do the cold shower at the end. Do not do them without the cold shower. It is important, if you do them this hot and sweat a lot.

…………..if you can’t handle heat…...then I don’t know, probably you should not do them hot, just warm baths with Epsom salts.

EDIT: herewith link for the post from curezone, i have copied and pasted it below, but its all a bit close together....

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1028932#i

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Alkalizing Baths that Detoxify Acids!


These baths may pull huge amounts of toxins and acids out of
your body fats into your lymphatic system, but if you do not
take a cold shower at the end, you may overload the body with
too many toxins and acids which it is trying to get rid of and
make yourself feel worse.

The ideal way is to start of slow, with a shorter soak time
and build up. I suggest you start with 10 minutes and build up
to 30 minutes.

There are a few baths that I will add here that can truly help
to alkalize you and start the removal of acidic wastes from
the body. Sometimes you will feel invigorated and sometimes
you will feel drained.

You can do these as often as you want.
You may also try these as foot baths, which may be
particularly effective if you have any problems with the lower
half of the body. Do not attempt these baths until you have
read ALL the notes below! Thank you!


BATH 1 with H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide):
* 2-3 cups of Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulphate) - approx 2 lbs
* 1-2 cups of Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda) - approx 1 lb
*Edit: Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) - 1 pint to 1 quart of 3% solution OR 1.5
ounces of 35% solution - **please check safety notes below**

Run a hot bath and add all your ingredients apart from the
H2O2 - add that at the end and swirl it into the bath. You
want to SWEAT!! Try and stay as submerged as possible but do
NOT get the water into your eyes.
After 10-30 minutes, take a freezing cold shower for 1 minute,
or however long it takes for you to cool down.


BATH 2 with Calcium Hydroxide
* 2-3 cups of Magnesium sulphate(Epsom Salts)
* 1-2 tablespoons of Calcium hydroxide Powder (MUST be diluted
first - place the CH powder in a gallon of water to make sure
it's dispersed, please check notes below) **Please read safety
notes below**
Edit:Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) - 1 pint to 1 Quart of 3% solution OR 1.5
ounces of 35% solution - **please check safety notes below**


Run a hot bath and add all your ingredients. You want to
SWEAT!! You WILL sweat! Try and stay as submerged as possible
but do NOT get the water into your eyes.
I would not recommend this bath to those that have cronic
disease because it is so powerful - wait till you are a little
stronger.

After 10-30 minutes take a freezing cold shower for 1 minute,
or however long it takes for you to cool down. This is
essential! (Please read health notes below).



BATH 3 with Apple Cider Vinegar
* 2-3 cups of Magnesium sulphate(Epsom Salts)
* 2 Cups of Apple Cider Vinegar
Edit:Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) - 1 pint to 1 Quart of 3% solution OR 1.5
ounces of 35% solution - **please check safety notes below**

Run a hot bath and add all your ingredients. You want to
SWEAT!! Try and stay as submerged as possible.
This bath is great for those with skin problems such as eczema
or acne. It's fanatastic for those who have dry, itchy skin
conditions. It also helps edema/swelling. It's a great bath
for those who have too much sodium in their body, as the high
potassium content of the ACV is an antonist for sodium.
After 10-30 minutes take a freezing cold shower for 1 minute,
or however long it takes for you to cool down. This is
essential! (Please read health notes below).


VARIATIONS:
**If you can, skin brush before getting into the bath - this
starts lymphatic movement and will help you detoxify more.


**If you're really brave and want to open up your pores more,
take 50mg of Niacin B3 (you MUST get the flush version). Take
this on an empty stomach 10 minutes before getting into the
bath. Your body will flush red and you will feel your skin is
prickly, the sensation should last 30-60 minutes, but this is
a really powerful way to sweat and open up your pores for more
efficient detoxification. You can combine this with skin
brushing.


** You can add some kelp as minerals if you have skin problems
(but you'll stink!!)


** you can also add oregano oil, cayenne pepper, ginger powder
... all are wonderful at creating more sweat and heat.

** You can spray your body (avoid eyes) a few minutes before
and staright after the bath with 3% Hydrogen peroxide, and
that will help to alkalize you even more


For those who do not have a bath at home, you have options of
doing alkalizing foot baths or alkalizing showers.


GENERAL KEY HEALTH NOTES:
**Make sure you're well hydrated before the bath, also take a
herbal tea into the bathroom with you and sip whilst bathing.
I like to take ginger and lemon, peppermint, elderberry or
dandelion.


** If you are extremely ill and weak, these baths can feel
exhausting. Please make sure someone is around should you need
to get some help out of the bath! Only stay in the bath as
long as you can take it, if that means starting with 5 or 10
minutes, go for it! Alternatively, just try alkalizing foot
baths to begin with.


**The hydrogen peroxide supplies the Extra Oxygen which is
needed by the body for the Electrical charges.


** Baking Soda is called Bicarbonate of soda or Sodium
bicarbonate (NaHCO3). The Baking soda provides extra Sodium in
the water which may help neutralise the excess acids which the
Epsom Salts pulls out of the body among other things, so
helping the body to heal much faster.


**These detox baths cause the body to get rid of Toxins
through Sweating through the pores, and it is essential that
the water is very warm/hot and can stay that way through out
the duration of bathing. It is the heat of the hot water which
causes the Acidic Nitrogen Isotope to be drawn out of the
body.


**The reason people feel so exhausted after soaking is because
of the amount of acids which have been released from your body
fats, into your Lymphatic system on their way to be eliminated
out through your skin pores. The Acids which would be causing
the most problem may be the Nitrogen Acid Isotope along with
any other toxins, which is the reason for taking the cold
shower afterwards, yet you only need to shower cold, long
enough to take the heat out of your skin on the outer body!
Taking this cold shower afterwards, stops the release of any
more acids so you may recover from having too many acids to
overload the Lymphatic system, which may cause one to feel
poorly, if the acid release isn't stopped. Everything should
be done in cycles, so the body may recover. Release some acids
and allow the body to dispose of them and relax for a while
and start the cycle over again.


**You can do these baths as often as daily, but that may be
too much for some.


**People are cautioned to start out slow at first. Also to
make the point clear about the cold shower after wards, the
importance of this cold shower, is it may help throw the body
to the Alkaline side, if done properly and you have not caused
too many Toxins and Acids to be released into the Lymphatic
system. In other wards, if one does the Hot bath and then does
not take the cold shower, then this allows the body to remain
too acidic! The cold shower is very important in the end of
the process or the body may be more acidic than in the
beginning from all the Toxins and Acids which may have been
released into the Lymphatic system!


**Should you find you feel worse, (like having flu like
symptoms) you may help yourself temporarily by taking one full
Tablespoonful of Baking Soda in an 8oz glass of water and
drinking this over a 30 minuite time period, not sooner! This
may help correct the imbalance of your ratios between the
Sodium and Potassium which you may suffering from. This may
help neutralise the excess acids temporaily plus correct the
sodium to potassium ratio


.................

****IMPORTANT - SAFETY NOTES - PLEASE READ!****

CALCIUM HYDROXIDE (also known as - pickling
lime/Ca(OH)2/slaked lime/biocalc/lime water etc.)

In concentrated powdered form, this stuff is a skin, eye and
respiratory irritant. It is CORROSIVE and causes burns. Should
you be using this concentrated form to dilute with water
before use, please protect yourself by wearing safety glasses,
gloves and minimize your exposure to the dust itself.

This powder is also incompatable with strong acids! So, the
more acidic you are the smaller your dose should be! Start
small and slow, and add more after checking your response. We
are all unique, so someone else's ideal doseage may not be the
same as yours.

My suggestion is to make up your solution outdoors. This
powder is very fine and fluffy, it'd be easy to accidently
spill some on your kitchen or bathroom floor for unsuspecting
kids and pets to walk on.


HYDROGEN PEROXIDE (H2O2) I know some are using the 3% and some
of us are diluting the 35%

The 35% is very strong. If you accidently spill some on your
skin it will cause white burns. Immediately splash that body
part in cold water for 15 minutes and spray with apple cider
vinegar.

Never store your 35% H2O2 in a glass jar. It arrives in a
plastic container for a reason. The food grade H2O2 contains
no stabilisers and breaks down over time releasing oxygen gas,
which builds up pressure and may burst your glass container!

Never get the peroxide in your eyes!!!!!!!!!!! Ed McCabe
(author of Flood Your Body With Oxygen) says getting this
stuff in your eyes can result in cataracts. It doesn't mix
well with the cells in your eyes. Splashing into the eyes can
cause PERMANENT tissue distruction. If you do get some in your
eyes, immediately flush eyes with plenty of water for at least
15 minutes, lifting lower and upper eyelids occasionally. Get
medical attention immediately.


If accidental swallowing occurs, DO NOT INDUCE VOMITING. Give
large quantities of water. Never give anything by mouth to an
unconscious person. Get medical attention immediately.


Extra Note: In our quest to alkalise yourselves, please don't
take any risks. Do only what you are comfortable with and do
your research. It isn't a bad thing to question someone about
their recommendations. PLEASE keep these products out of reach
from children and pets.

I have also read certain sources that indicate that people who
have a urine acidity rating of 6 and below should start with
foot baths before proceeding to full baths. Full baths can
start at 6.5 acidity.

Edit: The Peroxide should be added to "ALL" of the Different Baths, this was not included in the orginal website!

Smile Tis your choice.


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Sunshine
#28601 12/10/07 12:00 PM
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For the Mother of all detox baths use Himalayan rock salt. It is expensive. It is a very strong cleanse/detox and I would not start here. I do Epsom salt baths regular and this salt bath totally and utterly blew my socks off. It is very strong.

Apparently this bath should not be tried when people have kidney problems.

I can confirm that the detoxifying effect of this bath can be compared to a 3-day fast. It is very strong indeed. If you start to feel “strange” than means you should finish the bath.

I also do them as hot as I can take just like the Askmoreless baths above, including the cold shower at the end.

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Bathing with Salt Crystal

Bathing with salt crystal is recommended for skin diseases, joint diseases, after operations, to strengthen the immune system and to detoxify the body.

To get the full benefit of a therapeutic natural salt bath, the right salt concentration is mandatory. The salt concentration has to be at least the same as the one of our body fluids (approximately 1%) to activate the osmotic exchange ratio. Since a full tub normally takes 27-32 gallons of water, you need to use at least 2.2 lbs. of natural salt. Also to maintain the detoxing effect after the first detox bath, 3 to 4 handfuls are effective. The water temperature should be as close to 97 degrees as possible. The bath should be 20 to 30 minutes long. During this time, the body reaches the same salt concentration inside and outside as the one that can be compared to the pre-natal state.

Through the salt bathing, minerals penetrate the skin in form of ions. The stimulation will cause natural cell growth in the living cell layers. Bio-energetic weak points will be balanced and the body’s own energy flow will be activated.

The natural regulating mechanism of the body, the so called homeostasis, is initiated. The detoxifying effect after the bathing can be compared to a 3-day fast. The salt is also a natural disinfectant. Observations have shown that the applications of the therapeutic natural salt bath have the best effect at the changes of the moon (at full moon: optimal assimilation; at new moon: optimal detoxification.)



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The original salt bath suggestion came from the book, 'Water & Salt', as reported by Daisy4, here...

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=378721#i

The original salt advocated was authentic Himalayan crystal salt [in ONE PERCENT (1%) solution], and probably that from a certain area of the Himalayas.

I, at first, hesitated on using the 'Himalayan crystal salt' I had purchased because I was uncertain of its true origin.

Eventually I used it in a footbath, because someone suggested it would help with 'grounding' and I also felt it might help with edema on the tops of my feet.

That footbath worked like gangbusters...not only to reduce the edema, but, soon after, I noticed that all anxiety was gone, vanished. I knew that 'bad' things could still happen, but I no longer was afraid...quite the opposite. I was calm and thoughtful, and no longer felt my usual 'worry'.

In the Liver Flush Forum , Telman wrote about the mechanics that may govern Osmosis, the passage of mineral salts, in water, through the skin, in either direction.

I know very little about this subject, but suppose this is why the authors of the book, 'Water & Salt', suggest a ONE PERCENT (1%) solution of the finest Himalayan crystal salt.

If you wish to try this procedure, PLEASE read on the subject thoroughly, and experiment ONLY using your own best judgement.

(Personally, I imagine that it would be best to stick to concentrations no stronger in minerals than sea water, human tears, or amniotic fluid, the fluid around babies before birth.)

Fledgling


As I said up top, do not start on these salt baths….they are very strong and caution is needed.

Saying all that, even with the warnings…..they are wonderful baths…..oh yes.

I just got delivered 25kg of epsom salts and 3 kg of Himalayan rock salt. The 3kg salt cost more than the 25kg of Epsom salts.

Enjoy <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/babybath.gif" alt="" />


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#28602 12/11/07 06:27 AM
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Wow thanks for that, very informative.

I took an Epsom Salts bath for the first time today, I could only handle it for about 8 minutes and when I got out I felt completely exhausted!

#28603 12/11/07 07:56 AM
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Hi Sunshine

Would your Askmoreless guy know why I cannot tolerate epsom salts or magnesium sulfate in any form at all? My biggest mercury problem is blood sugar control and insulin resistance, for which magnesium is supposed to be key. I have low Mag and high Cal (ratio of 46) on my hair analysis, which according to Cutler lines me up nicely for blood sugar problems - I think I am close to diabetes. I am desperate to avoid this, hence the need for magnesium, which apparently slows the flow of insulin.

I have some magnesium sulfate cream, and some magnesium chloride oil, and every time I use these my blood sugar just becomes a basket case, with big crashes a few hours later. If I am as deficient in magnesium as my hair analysis indicates, I would have thought my body would be craving it. But if I try applying the cream or oil, it is just a disaster. I already supplement with magnesium citrate, taurine, B6 - all the things that are supposed to help the body hang onto magnesium - as per Cutler, but thought I could boost things with the cream / oil.

The thought of having an Epsom Salts bath is just out of the question for me - this would doubtless be a disaster.

I used to do the Himalayan salt baths before my adrenals gave out - they were good, and would give me a clear head the next day. I daren't do hot baths now - my adrenals are too weak.

Any insight on the magnesium thing would be great - it is such a puzzle for me.

Nicola

#28604 12/11/07 08:45 AM
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When I did my first detox bath, I think I did 15 minutes, which was too long, I was soooooo relaxed…felt like I was walking on the moon ……space walking for 2 days! I felt hot to the core for 2 days (I am usually cold) it was a wonderful sensation. (emmmm they should not really do that…..i was too long in the bath!) It was obvious to me that these baths work for me.

The next baths I did less time. Each subsequent bath I gradually increased the quantity of ingredients and time in the bath. Much more manageable and less severe reactions but always felt better after them. always.

Now I do, 500mg Epsom salts, plus 250g bicarb soda, plus 6 capfuls of 35pct H202 for the full 30 mins. As hot as I can take it. Sweat like a trouper. End with cold shower. Nice!

Nicola. I have no idea. I will ask


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#28605 12/11/07 09:05 AM
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I think it's normal to feel real relaxed even exhausted after one of those baths. I love it with h2o2. But that's why you are suppose to do it before bed.

Osmosis.

#28606 12/11/07 12:48 PM
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What if all you have is a shower? Is there anything you can use that would help detox in the shower. I read something about a clay, can't remember. Any ideas?
Rachel


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#28607 12/11/07 01:01 PM
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Hi Nicola

Right, I asked

He replied

I thought his reply was incredibly sharp, especially since he only had your one message to go on. I however know exactly what he is talking about! Because I spent a couple of months hanging out on his forum reading and soaking up his strange words. Yes they are strange. He comes from things from a different angle. I think that is very important in this tricky world. Attacking things from a different perspective. At first his words seem strange. Even if you think his solution is wrong, or not for you….fine…..but his diagnosis……….that is very perceptive of him!!!! From one message! He is very sharp, too sharp for some, but that’s the way I like it.

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Your question: I have been discussing these baths with some other friends and one of them has some questions that I’d like to ask you if you could help or understand.

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Would your Askmoreless guy know why I cannot tolerate epsom salts or magnesium sulfate in any form at all? My biggest mercury problem is blood sugar control and insulin resistance, for which magnesium is supposed to be key. I have low Mag and high Cal (ratio of 46) on my hair analysis, which according to Cutler lines me up nicely for blood sugar problems - I think I am close to diabetes. I am desperate to avoid this, hence the need for magnesium, which apparently slows the flow of insulin.

I have some magnesium sulfate cream, and some magnesium chloride oil, and every time I use these my blood sugar just becomes a basket case, with big crashes a few hours later. If I am as deficient in magnesium as my hair analysis indicates, I would have thought my body would be craving it. But if I try applying the cream or oil, it is just a disaster. I already supplement with magnesium citrate, taurine, B6 - all the things that are supposed to help the body hang onto magnesium - as per Cutler, but thought I could boost things with the cream / oil.

The thought of having an Epsom Salts bath is just out of the question for me - this would doubtless be a disaster.

I used to do the Himalayan salt baths before my adrenals gave out - they were good, and would give me a clear head the next day. I daren't do hot baths now - my adrenals are too weak.

Any insight on the magnesium thing would be great - it is such a puzzle for me.

Sunshine

Answer: Let us look at your friends problems ?

Diabetes, Blood sugar, Adrenals not working and just not Feeling Good !

So, let us break down the problems and see if we can word it so that she may come to understand what needs to be changed for her to start Recovery ?

The Diabetes and Blood Sugar problems may be from the Adrenals not working properly ?

So, let us consider the Adrenals 1st : If the Adrenals are Sick, then they need help in order for the other problems to be Solved !

All these things you friend is doing and using have not Solved the problem or she would not still be having the problem !

So, she may need to consider some changes and maybe stop Listening to the folks she has been listening to for advice ?

The Adrenals need "Natural" Sodium for them to be able to work properly and they need all of the other needed Alkaline Minerals and until these may be supplied, the Adrenals are going to continue to be Sick and Diseased and she is going to continue with the present problems and they may only get worse !

So, what to do for the Adrenals ?

Suggestions for her may be to find some Top Quality Raw Unfiltered Wild Honey and start taking some of this thru-out the day with some Buttermilk !

If the Honey is of Poor quality, it will give her Blood Sugars fits, so she needs to listen to what her body tells her about what she chooses to use !

Better results may be gotten by taking small amounts more often thru-out the day !

She is way too Acidic, so she needs to start the Soak Baths, but just use warm water that she can stand to soak in and "Only" start by using 3% peroxide(1 pint to 1 quart) in the water !

After doing this for a week and gaining strength, then she needs to add a small amount of Epsom salt( start with 1 Tablespoonful and work up as feel Better) and maybe 1 Teaspoonful of Calcium Hydroxide(Maximun) in a full Bath Soak and this may be in just warm water for her to get used to it, but have her to rinse off afterwards !

And she needs to consider forgetting about the Hair analysis, because it does "NOT" tell what the present problem is, but just what may have happened long ago when that hair sample was grown !

Right now the present problem is Damaged Adrenals, which she needs to focus on to helping it Recover !

She needs to learn to "STOP" eating any Refined and Proccessed foods and learn to find the Best Quality fresh Fruits and Vegetables in Season to eat and you can point this out to her with your Refractometer !

Have her to start out with these Simple ideas and as she gets Better and is able to Think more Clear, then maybe she will be able to make some more changes for her own good ?

Smile Tis your choice.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1060426#i


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#28608 12/11/07 01:10 PM
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I should explain a little. Askmoreless is all about diet, Ph balance, alkaline/acid balance, alkaline food, acidic food. For him everything comes down to the alkaline balance of the body.

He is implying that you are too acidic.

Which is the same as “you are what you eat”


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#28609 12/11/07 01:22 PM
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Skieslimit: Yes. Cold showers! I have a hot shower every morning and twice during the hot shower I set the shower to freezing cold. Just for 20-30 seconds, maybe 60 seconds if I’m feeling tough, i have it freezing cold. I end on hot. Once on freezing and I do not notice the different, but twice freezing…….its a good start to the day and it's real good for the skin, hot opens the pores, cold closes. All that opening and closing is a good thing. Gets things moving. Every little thing helps.

I bet you are too scared to even try it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Hi Sunshine

thanks for asking on my behalf, and his reply certainly brought a smile to my lips. I have approached my problems very much in the Andy Cutler way - adrenals are damaged so support them with HC, keep the candida at bay with the candida diet (high protein - meat, vegetables, eggs - low carbs - non-starchy vegetables), whilst chelating (currently 30th round of DMSA - ALA not in sight yet until body burden reduced).

Having spent two years on this diet (ie avoiding sugar of all kinds), I can't bring myself to eat honey - not even the raw kind. How would eating honey make me more alkaline?

Frankly, I honestly can't see me getting off the adrenal support ever. I have always been a Type A person, and before my adrenals blew, I was incredibly stressed bringing up three young children essentially single-handed in a foreign country. This, and over-exercising (to gain some sense of control), plus the fact that I can recall signs of adrenal fatigue back in my teens, leads me to think that I have Addisons, which is non-curable. In any case, I shall be taking adrenal support for the time it takes me to chelate, which will be years in my case. By then I think my adrenals will have died anyway.

I may try building up with Epsom Salts. I read somewhere that some autistic kids become very hyper after an ES bath. This could be because the relevant sulphate receptors on the cells have got so used to functioning at a low level, their receptivity is turned up to LOUD. So when you give them a big dose in an ES bath, it is literally like an over dose - hence the problems. This could be what is happening to me. Maybe I need to start low and slow, and build up - a bit like chelation then.

I am sure I am very acidic - despite eating lots of vegetables and juicing - I think this is due to the mercury, and this is why my body and hair calcium is so high. Apparently the calcium will come down when the mercury is reduced, and hopefully my blood sugar problems will resolve. I can only continue with the diet, keep supporting thryoid / adrenals and chelate, chelate, chelate, as Cutler recommends.

I feel I have come so far with Cutler now, that I shall continue with his chelation / treatment protocol. He got my trust when I read Amalgam Illness, and found out that all my symptoms, which the doctors told me were in my head, were due to amalgam illness. I was (am) a textbook, clearcut and severe case. I have lost three years of my life so far, but I hope for improvement.

It is amazing how approaches to illness are so different - I was also reading about Gerson therapy today, and don;t think my adrenals would cope with that either. Cutler's is admittedly very scientific and may not have all the answers. But I feel that I need to give his protocol the good 2-3 years he recommends.

thanks again for asking. I might have a wander over to the curezone and do some more reading....

Nicola

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Sunshine - just reading through his answer again - what would the calcium hydroxide be for, and where do you get all this stuff from?

Nicola

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Mark. Just reading the original bath instructions……

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**The reason people feel so exhausted after soaking is because
of the amount of acids which have been released from your body
fats, into your Lymphatic system on their way to be eliminated
out through your skin pores. The Acids which would be causing
the most problem may be the Nitrogen Acid Isotope along with
any other toxins, which is the reason for taking the cold
shower afterwards, yet you only need to shower cold, long
enough to take the heat out of your skin on the outer body!
Taking this cold shower afterwards, stops the release of any
more acids so you may recover from having too many acids to
overload the Lymphatic system, which may cause one to feel
poorly, if the acid release isn't stopped. Everything should
be done in cycles, so the body may recover. Release some acids
and allow the body to dispose of them and relax for a while
and start the cycle over again.


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Yes, I saw the honey and thought no way, but what do I know? I can eat it in small doses, although I tend to get carried away and eat loads, which don’t help.

His way of thinking, his rejuvenation protocol, is ….”special” but I think it is just “special” in the way he presents his ideas.

As with all these health dudes out there I listen and pick out what works for me. His alkalising drinks….they did not agree with me when I tried them…they tasted disgusting too….all that kelp was foul. His baths I love. I will stick with the cutler protocol too, but I will also pick and choose other methods that catch my eye.

After reading all about diet/alkaline/acid-balance on his site I needed to read a book about it. Not just some website like askmoreless…it is a bit haphazard over there.

So I found a book about Ph balance, and to be fair it was exactly what askmoreless was talking about…just more mainstream, so was more understandable to my head at that time.

I started taking my PH value all the time, 5-6-7 times a day, see what each food that I ate did to my PH value. Was very interesting experiment that. Eventually it became obvious that although some foods are very health, they are also very acidic, which makes it difficult to alkalise the body when I kept eating acidic food. I used to eat loads of brown rice. It was one of the few foods that did not make me sick at that time. When I stopped eating brown rice, I became less acidic and more alkaline and I actually felt better.

“the PH miracle” by R young

if you want to alkalise your body, this book explains it well. I do the 7 day juicing diet with excellent results

for more info about calcium hydroxide you should ask him, but I found this.

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Hi Ya'll,

Many people are Confused by many issues in the Health field !

So, for the newcommer it may be an overpowering problem for them to sort out
"Truth" from "False" info !

And the subject of Calcium Hydroxide may be "NO" Different when it comes to
Confusion for many people !

What is Calcium Hydroxide ?

It is a form of Calcium which has been "Heated" to Remove most of the water from
it, this is what may Cause it to be very Concentrated and a very Powerful form
of Calcium !

And thus it then is a "VERY" active form of Calcium, which may be Very Oxidizing
against Acids !

In a Laymans terms, one may say it may knock the "Hell" out of Acids !

Just like taking any Fruit or Vegetable and "Drying" it down to "concentrate"
the Alkaline Minerals and sugars etc in these foods !

Calcium Hydroxide is also called Pickling Lime, which has been used for
"centuries" to make pickles and give them their crisp flavor !

Calcium Hydroxide may start out in the form of Limestone which may have been
formed from animal Bones of the ocean over the many years of deposits !

"ALL" of the Calcium on this Planet comes from these same sources !

The "ONLY" Difference may be in where in this chain of the Calciums Life that a
person may choose to use the Calcium !

Does one use the Calcium from the Plant source or the Animal source or the
Deposits of the Plant and Animals, which some may call rocks ?

So, "ANY" form of "Calcium" has come from the "SAME" original source, just maybe
at different levels of the Life chain cycles , which the Calcium may Live in !

Because of these "FACTS", the form of Calcium as Calcium Hydroxide, while it may
be void of as much water as some of the other forms of Calcium, thus making it
much more Concentrated, it is Very "SAFE" to utilize in the Alkalizing Drink,
and because of it's Concentration, it may be a "MUCH" more Powerful form of
Calcium to utilize than most "ANY" other form of Calcium !

What does this mean for "YOU" ?

This may mean that "YOU" may take a "Very" "small" amount of "MONEY" and buy
"enough" Calcium Hydroxide, and get much "GREATER" "Positive Results" with this
form of Calcium, than you may with "ANY" other form of Calcium , which may Cost
a whole Lot more "MONEY" !

So, I guess the Bottom Line may be just how much "MONEY" do you want to part
with to help "YOU" learn to Solve "YOUR" Health problems , which may be from a
shortage of Calcium !

Cause and Effect !

Choose Life or Death this Day !

Smile Tis your choice.


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Where do you buy your Espom Salts in bulk from Sunshine P?

#28615 12/11/07 11:24 PM
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http://www.cosmasorganics.co.uk/

£25 for 25kg including postage

if its not on the website, I email them and they usually have some for me.

They also do 5kg bags.


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Thanks Paul just ordered 25kg. Now where can I get my Himalyan salt pleasw?

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Do you buy your baking soda in bulk as well? Free of aluminum?


Gabriella

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#28619 12/12/07 03:21 PM
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No, i have not found a place yet. let me know if you do find


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