Linda, I know what you mean about "death by posting". I have just gotten on and it's a deluge....no pun intended <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

At any rate, I don't want to get into too much of the emotional arguments about God, because it seems obvious you wish to refer to Him as cruel or "half witted" at any opportunity. Somewhat similar to what I've seen you do to creationists. Is this a way of discrediting the character/personality of the person in an attempt to put more credence on your rebuttals? anyway, I'll move on.

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Genesis 7:19-23 explicitly says what happened during the flood. It says, "and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark." How were there creatures surviving on floating vegetation when the Bible says everything not inside the ark was killed? How else can you possibly read this?


First, I'll be using a very accurate/loyal bible. "The Holy Bible" translated from the latin vulgate in the light of the hebrew and greek by Ronald Knox.

Genesis 7: 19-23 "Higher and higher the waters rose above the ground, till all the high mountains under the heaven disappeared; the flood stood fifteen cubits higher than the mountains it covered. All mortal things that moved on earth were drowned, birds and cattle and wild beasts, and all the creeping things of earth, and all mankind; all that lived and moved on the earth perished together".

Did God mean by everything that he did not leave one stone unturned? Perhaps so. But does this mean that all insects were destroyed? No. Here we have this quote which shows God most definitey had insects (creeping things) very much in mind in his post flood survival plan:

Genesis 9: 13 - 14 "That very day, Noe and his sons, Sem, Cham and Japheth, his wife, and the three wives of his sons, took refuse in the Ark' and with them all the different kinds of wild beasts, of cattle, of creeping things of earth etc etc.

By the way, notice that God did not make mention of ALL sea-creatures being destroyed? He only mentioned that which dwelt (moved) upon the earth, rather than that which swam in the oceans.

The ark was a vast vessel, 515 feet! 3 stories. You have a problem with how the ark would have held so many creatures, but this is hardly a problem for the ark, and definitely not a problem for God. Having dominion over the earth and sea and all that dwells upon it. One pair (male and female) of every living creature was all that was required. It was NOT required that every living creature be in adult form, nor would it have been impossible for God to have held them in a state of semi - hibernation for the time on the ark. Consider eggs, caccoons, lavae, hives, young or even babies of all types of creatures, rather than the large or more aged adults (hardly ideal to choose them). The insects that came on the animals themselves! The immensity of the ark, the chambers, everything on and in that ark did not take Noah and his sons year or two to build! One should consider what must have gone into this and the ridicule they received because of it (much like what we receive today, interesting that).

You speak suddenly about the enormous diversity and complexity of the insects, almost unwittingly betraying your evolutionary idea that all these things (along with plant life, animals and humans) started by chance random processes or "single celled organisms". Be careful Linda, you are close to making unconscious admissions. If to you, all life, universe, solar system, planets/planetry alignment, gravity, balance, seasons, food, animal life, human beings in all it's mind blowing wonder, can all occur out of mere chance and random processes, I hardly think that the insect life on a vast vessel with room to spare, should be so comparatively difficult to imagine! In fact, it takes more faith to believe what you do than what I do!

It is unbelieveable what unbelievers have to believe in order to be unbelievers.