I just can't get over this idea, for a start, that an omniscient God (presumably you believe he is all-knowing and all-seeing) would decide he'd made a mistake and wipe out almost every living thing on earth, including plants and animals that presumably could not have been morally good or evil as such. Didn't he know from the start that people would behave in a way he didn't like, and why didn't he do anything about it before he decided to kill them? Was every single person in the world apart from Noah and his family evil enough to deserve to be drowned in a flood?
The Bible says that God "repented" creating mankind, not that He didn't know what was going to happen beforehand. There is an important distinction here.
Furthermore, these actions taken by God are not for the purpose of destroying things that He simply does not like. It's about removing things from His creation that are destructive and harmful. This is why sin is bad; Because it destroys and harms others. All elements of the creation are intended to work together for the greater good, not for destruction.
Now, back to the word "repented":
The word repented is defined in Strong's as:
"naw-kham' A primitive root; properly to sigh, that is, breathe strongly; by implication to be sorry, that is, (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself): - comfort (self), ease [one’s self], repent (-er, -ing, self)."
This word denotes an emotion of the soul that He experienced in response to mankind's evil actions.
Emotions generally occur in response to an event, not in anticipation of it. For example, I know that my friend will die one day. That does not mean that I grieve now for their death, but I will in the time that it happens.
There is a lot more that could be said about this, but I'll leave it here for now hoping you grasp this concept.
Pertaining to Noah deserving to live and everyone else deserving to die...
Here is the verse:
"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God." —Genesis 6:1-9
The answer to your second question is, "yes", every person except Noah were "only evil continually" (destructive) and according to the judgment of God, were worthy of death.
Also, the phrase "perfect in his generations" means that Noah's was the only family that had not been contaminated with the DNA of the fallen angels. The Bible goes on to accurately predict that this activity would continue again later in the Earthen timeline.
To better understand the deep implications of these things, it's important to have some significant background in this area. The best lecture I've seen that properly explains it so far is provided by Missler. Here is a link to the video:
This is one of the most interesting passages in the Bible speaking about the intermingling of the seed of angels with the seed of men. This "intermingling" is where the idea of demigods came from in Greek literature and is written as a literal event and described in great detail in the writings of Plato.
This intermingling is also dealt with by prominent figures today and is described as a currently unfolding event. Here are videos that speak more about this very interesting subject:
This intermingling is—as understandably bazaar as it sounds—probably happening today and is known as the "alien abduction" phenomenon. There should, therefore, be no surprise when these alleged event are almost always related to sexuality.
A rapidly increasing number of people are making the connection between these two phenomenon (so-called "aliens" and fallen angels).
A YouTube search on the word Nephilim will reveal a host of videos that cover this subject, although not all are accurate Biblically, many are working to make this connection between "aliens" and fallen angels and will help you get a small glimpse of what the future may hold in your lifetime. Studying Biblical prophecy will help tremendously in this regard.
Finally, one thing I have learned while studying the Bible is that God often groups together key phrases that disclaim and limit or expand the subject at hand. For example, read this passage:
"And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die." —Genesis 6:17
Notice the refining structure that qualifies recent statements. This is a common and useful literary device and needs to be understood to properly interpret the Bible.
Here, He qualifies those to be destroyed:
(1) Flesh (2) wherein is the breath of life -- AND -- (3) everything that is "IN" the Earth.
(This translation is pretty universally consistent.)
Note that if this were not itself disclaimed, then it would contradict the fact that Noah would be saved, so be aware of this common literary device.
This is either an expansion or contraction of the earlier statement:
"And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them." —Genesis 6:7
So now we only are left with the task to identify the "creeping thing" and the "fowls of the air".
When you consider that varieties of animals are diversified base "kinds", you can then understand that only 2 of each "kind" were taken upon the ark, and then you can grasp the actual feasibility of this task. It now makes much more sense.
This is exactly why Bible "study" is important.
In my personal experience, each time in my life that I believed that I had found a Biblical contradiction or error, when I studied it out, I found that I was only making assumptions about the text based on my initial understanding or emotional projection. A deeper look always made the text clear and inerrant; Yes, always.
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How were there creatures surviving on floating vegetation when the Bible says everything not inside the ark was killed?
Just to be clear, you can now see that you are doing what I just spoke about, namely, you are projecting information that is not there (The Bible does not say that "everything" not inside the ark was killed.).
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Can someone here address the diversity of insect life on earth if there was a flood? So it makes sense that all of the approximately 850,000 species of insects on earth are descended from those who survived the flood either on floating mats of vegetation or on the ark as accidental passengers?
There is a simple explanation for this.
"Kinds" of creatures change over time according to their "predisposed genetic ability" (no new information is added over time). This ability to change over time is a built-in feature of these machines.
Mankind likes to categorize things into groups. The concept of "species" is just a name for a type of group. As the specifications for each group tighten, the "number" of existing "species" increases. For this reason, it's easy to see two things:
(1) The "kinds" of creatures described in the Bible spans many species, so the base number of "kinds" is much smaller then the number of "species" (you seem to be assuming that they are closely related), and
(2) This "tight" categorization is a device used to attempt to discredit creationism through its implications (the very ones that you just encountered).
This should be no surprise.
Tight categorization is a device also used to make it appear that certain drugs have less harmful side effects than they really do. It is also used extensively to attempt to discredit the fact that autism is caused primarily by mercury.
Confessions of an RX Drug Pusher
It would be useful to think long and hard about the process of "kinds" diversifying into varieties being apart from man-defined "species".
Interestingly, we both agree that this process continues today. What we don't agree on is this:
That you believe beneficial mutations—as rare as they are—can account entirely for highly complex, symmetrical, self-reproducing machines.
On the other hand, I believe that this potential for diversification already exists within the DNA of the machine.
The former belief is mathematically impossible. The latter is evidential.
So, this "diversity" forms by processes that you already believe in, only the source of the process is in debate (intelligence vs. error) in this context.
This answer accounts to and answers for about 80% of your post.
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How did all the freshwater species of fish survive?
This is quite simple to understand...
"...all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights." —Genesis 7:11-12
In short, underground water sources and rain were significant sources of the floodwater.
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I still haven't seen anyone explain why there is no genetic bottleneck in all species at the time of the flood, when almost every living thing was supposedly destroyed. Are the geneticists lying along with the rest of all the scientists then?
The simple fact here is that the interpretation of the "fossil record" is based on huge and extremely antiquated assumptions.
Now, this is where we delve into the area of human personality and basic human psychology, and this is consistently where you seem to get quite lost in our conversations.
If you do some research on the subject, you will discover:
...And countless other mistakes, misunderstandings and enormous assumptions throughout human history.
The so-called fossil record is no exception, and it is the theory upon which you base your question.
Here's a more intelligent explanation of what happened.
The great flood laid down numerous and massive layers of sediment in a relatively short time. Also, the "rocks" that you speak of are younger than some of the antiquated "scientific" assumptions would say they are.
There is much evidence for this, but some can be found here:
Also, you often make references to scientists lying in response to my conspiratorial views, but I never said this in the way you imply (strawman?). Yes, a few scientists do lie and take bribes just as in any other industry, but the real cover up is at a higher level and is based on a combination of:
(1) tagging propaganda as "established science",
(2) human social pressure, and
(3) funding funneling, which is: providing funding only for research that supports your presumptions—or better yet—your financial interests. This is known to occur surprisingly often. (See this example: Haley on Autism. Notice that all NIH funding was pulled for mercury when Haley discovered it's connection to autism which would undermine the extremely lucrative pharmaceutical vaccine industry and open the door to massive litigation.
The Haley videos (watch them all) cover several points pertaining to coverups ("admitting there is a problem") to funding funneling. The bottom line here is that there is a lie being told for financial gain. Call it what you will. I call it a conspiracy because that is the proper name when more than one person is involved in this type of activity: It's a legal term.
Also, you cannot underestimate the power of human social pressure. It is used extensively in advertising, for example. This fact alone deserves much consideration as does the fact that all humans are subject to social pressure; even scientists.
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the shells and fossils can be found deep into the rock of the mountain itself, in many different kinds of strata
Again, this is answered by my statements on short-term sedimentation. The original concept about elevated sea fossils remains a powerful statement in favor of a global flood.
[color:"brown"]Please take time to carefully watch all of the videos that I have posted. They expand on my answers to your questions very thoroughly.[/color]
I hope this helps.
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