Sorry, I truly do hate to get deeply involved in this, and I won't because I know the uselessness of trying to change a well held, even if truly baseless, opinion. But there is just so much obvious error here i cannot help but just shake my head as i read this.
Some problems with the YEC global flood model:
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If you add up the sheer mass of compressed material (that we know about) you quickly come to the conclusion that the surface of the earth is not large enough to accommodate all of those lifeforms at the same time. Do you know what limestone is made of?
Which proves what? that life existed before the flood? Where did you ever get the idea that all life lived and nothing died until there was a flood? certainly not from the bible. What on earth does limestone have to do do with it? Is there some rule that says limestone is related to organic matter dying in a flood? Do calcium and limestone in the earth only exist where people or animals have died? I don't understand why you are constantly making this reference.
The reason all of that fits into the earth now is because it is both compressed and it is buried in depth.
oh baloney. there is a limestone quarry just a few miles from me and the limestone is quite accessible. It is not always buried 'in depth'. There was lots of limestone where i grew up too. Limestone, shale, all full of fossils of stuff that died not very long ago. But the rock itself is not all composed from dead animals. It most certainly exists on it's own. just like iron or quartz.
As soon as you have to take into account that all of the things that comprise coal and oil had to at one point in time, at effectivly the same time, be alive and growing on the surface of the earth, the idea that they were all killed and deposited quickly is instantly falsified by the fact that there is simply not enough room.
not enough room? really i don't get it. who is making the assumption again that all things dead died at one time? I think if you read the bible you'll actually see civilization rise for a good few thousand years before it fell and the flood happened. are you saying Linda, the people and animals were immortal prior to the flood? Do you have the ability to see the amount of stuff. people. plants. animals by the zillions altogether that has become just America, China, Europe in the past few hundred years? We'll be leaving behind quite a bit of trash just in the next decade. Mountains and mountains of trash and methane generating stuff. Are people and other life prior to our current civilization exempt from this? why? Maybe someday there will even be a great oil field under Manhattan island. Probably New Jersey actually. gotta wonder where all the sewage goes don't you?
But the fact remains, there is no logical reason to assume that limestone, just as one example, cannot exist as it's own entity. Other forms of earth and rock do. why pick on limestone? I really liked soapstone as a kid myself. Did i ever tell you I was going to be a geologist? that was my dream as a kid.really, no kidding. I really don't know much about it, extended like, but... i would spend hours upon hours hunting for rocks as a kid. I had quite a collection. many fossils. Limestone is common as dirt. It is dirt, pretty much. A special type of dirt, like clay. Have you ever noticed how rocks move upward in the ground? Organic matter and dirt move downward while rocks and pebbles move upward. It's really weird. You'd think it would be the other way around. Maybe the rock isn't actually moving, maybe the dirt is just always getting washed down deeper. compressing.... ever see a tree turn to dirt? it only takes a year or two in damp weather to do that. I actually use the rotten loam from inside dead tree stumps to fertilize my flower beds and potted plants. it's great stuff. there sure are a lot of dead trees around here. I don't think they all die at one time though. They are always dying. they are always sprouting too.
Does anyone know if the earth is always getting bigger from so many trees dying all over the place? Leaves turning to mulch year after year. I have always wondered about that.
Creationists also need to get their stories straight. In response to this, some creationists have said that oil is not biological in origin but rather that it somehow is created deep within the earth. This has also been falsified but it goes to show you that even some creationists realise that the quantity of material formed by biomass in the earth is a killer for flood geology.
chock it up to people love to argue. But oil is decayed organic matter. Thus the methane smell of an oil field and a diesel engine.
There are other problems with flood geology, such as how large structures of evaporite minerals could make layers during the flood. Evaporites are types of rock created by evaporation. You can evaporate a whole lake of very "salty" water and get mere millimeters of salt or gypsum to accumulate. Some large evaporite layers are dozens of meters tall.
Why do they call it Salt Lake City? Did you know Utah was once covered with ocean water? Where do you think that puts Arizona? Ocean front property? Does salt only exist in salt water? how do you know? Do you know for sure or are you guessing? Were the oceans always as salty as they are today? Did salt exist first as a compound mineral or were the oceans salty first? How do you know? Or are you just guessing? Did you know there is a pllar of salt in the middle east that the arabs swear is Lot's wife?
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There is also problem considering the amount of time it would take to produce these layers in the earth that are then buried by even more layers that have different properties that take time that just simply cannot fit into a year time frame.
Right. So why are you trying? Were all living things immortal before the flood?
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Hence, no global flood that wiped out all but two of every "kind."
Right. But if you had read the bible you would have realized that only 'unclean' animals were paired. Should have done that before trying to make a thesis of the idea.
More evidence from geology:
Angular unconformities – Angular unconformities are where sediments are laid down in layers, then tilted and eroded, then new sediments are deposited on top. How does a global flood simultaneously deposit, tilt, and erode in the same exact place?
Wow, it's as though you want to attribute every geological formation ever seen to the flood.
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My sister-in-law, who is a geologist, told me that measures of cosmic ray bombardment are particularly helpful in her field, because this can show how long something like the surface of a glacier has been exposed to the air. Again, no evidence here that everything was covered by a global flood a few thousand years ago.
wow again. why do we have to attribute everything to the flood? Ice floats you know... maybe the algae had a birds eye view of the flood. Before it snowed again anyway. Reallly though, I hope you are not trying to say that glacial surface ice is thousands of years old. The ice at the center maybe... but not the surface ice dear. it snows, it melts, it snows , it melts, it freezes again. It compresses again.. you know, that has been going on for a while. Either I am misunderstanding the point you are trying to make here or this idea is completely lost in a flurry or the warm summer sun. Might be more proof of the error of different types of dating though. Because that's quite a quantum leap you are taking, assuming ice never melts or it never snows, and then saying a certain glacier surface has been exposed to air for thousands of years. Which piece, where exactly? I'd love to know.
There's no talk of an ice age in the bible anyway so the middle east apparently wasn't affected. you'll never prove it or disprove it, all you can do is guess. as usual, i would expect you to guess in ways that favor your opinion. But it's highly unlikely the equator was ever covered in ice either.
I have an idea about wooly mammoths found frozen in ice though... there was a flood of enormous proportions and the warm water overtook the wooly mammoths, and froze quickly... because it was already cold where the wooly mammoth lived. that's why he was wooly.
Just out of curiousity, do you know the relationship between lots of readily available limestone and glaciers?
Fossil Sorting – The sorting of fossils in the geologic record is consistent with evolution and geology across all formations worldwide. There are basically no fossils of dinosaurs found with modern mammals, even when such dinosaurs could fly.
ahem, flying dinsosaurs/reptiles still exist.
There are no flowering plants in the Cambrian, no grasses, no mammals, and no birds. The overall sorting does not show any evidence consistent with a flood or settling in water.
lots of mollusks and other sea life. Maybe there was a lot of water. Did you know that the bible says that exactly? First there was water, and then there was dry land. Haven't they found even a fossilized lily pad or something though? I can't imagine God made the dogs and cats to swim and then migrated them to the dry land either, so at least we are in agreement about mammals coming later.
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By mapping these directions and reversals, which correlate with radioisotope dating and stratigraphy, it is easily shown that the vast majority of seafloor sediments, along with most volcanic rock, are way too old to have been deposited by any flood. In fact such measurements are one of the great evidences for plate tectonics, which alone invalidate a global flood.
I still am not privy to your logic of all things being due to or caused by the flood. Yiou are aware that dry land and oceans both existed prior to the flood right?
Coprolites – Coprolites, which are fossilized turds, are preserved throughout the fossil record. How does a flood have animals constantly crapping in the midst of a flood after they are exterminated?
I dunno. I doubt they had a sewage tank on the ark though. You know, in New York city, London even, as late as the turn of the 20th century, you had to watch where you walked because people dumped their turds right out the window. very unsanitary.
But I don't think the flood lasted that long anyway, if it did the animals probably would have died on the ark simply from starvation. But you are stuck on thinking that everything is attributed to that one event again. I'd let go of the idea. It's illogical and i can't figure out why you keep bringing it up. If you go by what the bible says, you'll see that most of your musings are really just that... musings, very unbiblical so not really a good argument at all.
Did you know a 7 month old cat... kitten... is capable of having a seven kitten litter? Calculate. It doesn't take very long to reestablish lots of pooping species. species that even bury their poop so it doesn't wash away, or God forbid, get stepped on by an unsuspecting nomad.....
Detailed layering – How could a global flood create thousands of layers seen in several geologic formations, each of which requires a different depositional environment?
who said it did? more of the same... let go of the idea that the flood is responsible for everything. Where did you get that idea anyway?
There are many more "silver-bullet" evidences that disprove a global flood. What I listed here are merely some of them. Can any creationists here explain ANY of them without resorting to "it's all lies"?
I wish you could explain them, really I do.
Honestly.
but that's the theory of evolution in a nutshell... grab an idea out of the air and make it fly no matter what.
just a song and a dance. you fiddle, you dance too.
I have better things to do. If the bible were as full of such nonsense and illogical ramblings as you have posted here i can assure you... I would have never bothered with it myself. egads, what a lot of pecking at the board here just because one person is stuck on the idea that all geological formations are a result of a flood.
tell me Linda, was the earth itself created because of the flood too?
Now you hopefully understand why I, or anyone else for that matter except Russ, God bless him, do not respond to most of your posts. They are generally formed from a logic that only you comprehend. It took me close to two dumb hours to just reiterate the methane of this one.
Get unstuck, for your own benefit, please. try a parasite cleanse or something. Maybe you'll find a fossil or at least a prototype or 30 dozen
