Okay people, there's so much talk here about "slow and gentle" chelation. Now I know that the degree of symptoms and illness here due to mercury amalgams vary from person to person. Remember, with mercury amalgam illness, the range can be from "imperceptible disturbance" to "total incapacitation". When you are on the latter end of the spectrum, you have a ton of mercury in your brain. Your hypothalmus is poisoned. This is the master gland of the body. From a poisoned hypothalmus, you can then expect a total disturbance in the way all of your other hormones are working. The messages get all garbled up. The mercury molecules attach to the hormones and render them inactive. Thus, nothing in your body and brain is working properly. Personally, I believe that in this kind of situation, aggressive chelation with aggressive chelators is necessary in order to get well. Mercury will stay in the brain for 25 years. Who wants to be sick for twenty five years by doing slow and gentle chelation which will not get the mercury out of your brain. Sometimes, slow and gentle is just not going to work.

Sandra

Well, I tried "aggressive" chelation, having intravenous DMPS followed by 50 grams of vitamin C each week for 3 weeks (on different days of the week so as not to conflict with the 7-day immune cycle).

After the 1st treatment, I had a colon hydrotherapy treatment, and I felt pretty good. After the 2nd treatment, I didn't feel too great for about 24 hours (I also didn't have colonics). Then, after the 3rd treatment, I developed a 103-104 degree fever, headache, body aches, back/kidney pain, etc., which I believe lasted for at least 24 hours before these symptoms began to subside, if I remember correclty. (Again, I didn't have colonics.)

So...did having the colonics help remove the excess mercury that DMPS was drawing out (which my body couldn't eliminate on its own), and not having colonics allowed some of the mercury to be re-absorbed and re-distributed? Or, would aggressive chelation with multiple DMPS treatments have been more than my body could have handled even if I had had colonics each time?

My question with "aggressive" chelation is that if you are expelling/pulling out more mercury from your tissues than your body is capable of eliminating through the kidneys and colon, then what happens to this mercury? Doesn't it get "re-distributed?" I have to believe this is what happened to me and why I got sick following DMPS.

I certainly do not claim to know everything about mercury detox. But, I honestly haven't talked to anyone yet who has done "aggressive" chelation and told me they felt better afterwards.

If anyone is in the "total incapacitation" end of the spectrum and is having success (improved health) with "aggressive chelation", please share your experiences and what you are doing so others in the same situation can benefit.

However, if you're not already really sick, I still suggest more gentle, slower detoxing so you can remain a functioning individual.

I think it depends on the individual.

If you're very sick, you could get hurt with agressive detox. If you're not feeling too bad, you may not want to make yourself feel too bad during the process because you may need to work and function, etc. Most people are somewhere in the middle.

The bottom line is this: When you detox, you mobilize mercury. When you mobilize mercury, you need to be sure you can eliminate the mercury fast enough to minimize redistribution (Huggins talks about this in his books). If you start feeling bad during detox, this can be a sign that redistribution is taking place.

I like slow and gentle because?being a detox success story myself?I needed to run my business and detox at the same time and I also realize this:

Mercury detox is a game of endurance, not speed.

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More aggressive chelation

Well I've just finished reading Cutler's protocol on chelation and I'm definitely going to do it as of October. Probably with ALA initially ( I've taken it in the past and I seemed to tolerate it.)

Of course I will post regularly on the forum to let you guys know how it goes

I suspect its really important to keep to the timeline (i.e. with ALA don?t do it earlier than three months post extraction) and that you take Algin (or equivalent) to help carry the mercury out of your body. As Laura has already said you don?t want to give it a chance to redistribute.

Steve

I'm going to try gentle detox - modifilan (or something similar), vit c and anything else I find or read about that I think will help.

I'll also post up how I get on and if any of my symptoms improve.

Would definitely appreciate everyone keeping us posted as to the progress they make with each detox plan.

One thing that happens is that mercury binds with candida. If you release the mercury too fast, the candida dies and releases mycotoxins. Candida is the body's way of protecting us from mercury and other toxins.

Problem is the body needs our help so it can keep a certain control of the yeast and keep it at a more tolerable level. When we eat sugars and things that feed the yeast, far from protecting us, it goes beyond the norm and begins to become another illness.

Candida methylates mercury and causes it to become more toxic. If it's not reduced at least by diet, it too easily gets out of control and causes havoc alongside the mercury.

I'm not saying it should be aggressively treated with antifungals, but by diet, at least then that allows the body a chance to reduce it naturally and in a way that allows for improvement in other areas. Which then gives a person the chance to deal easier with the mercury.

That's my experience anyway. Not treating candida, nearly had me take my own life. When I used diet and allowed fr some overgrowth to be starved out, things became easier for me.

So it's definitely an issue. Yeast overgrows in any situation where things have been allowed to go down hill directly by someone living an unhealthy lifestyle, or through toxicity that is not te fault of the person. If someone does not adjust their diet, they cannot expect their body to assert itself or have a chance to gain a bit of ground.

My goodness, that looks like gentle chelation after what my Dr put me through.

I did not get sick from the chelation, ever. have only felt better.

My Dr however, and other Dr's I have spoken to, highly recommend combining chelators, eg; IV EDTA followed immediately by DMPS followed later in the day with a DMSA formula to wind down. I have also been using a powdered chlorella daily to help bind anything in the stomach. Keep in mind, each chelator binds a bit differently, acts in the body a bit differently, and if things are stirred up it's apparently good to bind it from a few different directions also. it has worked quite well for me.

I have never gotten a full 50 grams of Vit C, only 2 or 3 grams per chelation, they mix in right in with the EDTA. I generally only use 2000-3000 mgs/day C.

However, my Dr also supplements with mega IV vitamins after every 5 EDTA sessions. In fact a vitamin IV was my first IV, even prior to any EDTA. And I supplement more on my own also.

Maybe a major difference being that my Dr, though treating me for mercury poisoning, does not overlook the fact that I have other toxins besides mercury and insisted on 5 (2 per week) sessions of EDTA before he would even use the DMPS, except of course for the intial DMPS metal challenge testing, perhaps why I tolerated it better.

I did not have a yeast problem prior to being very poisoned with mercury. I have not acquired a yeast problem, perhaps started chelating in time.. perhaps also the EDTA helps in that area, the EDTA dissolves a lot of toxins aside from metals from what I understand. Or maybe the I grow in pots and chew on once in a while, maybe the echinacea I eat or make tea from once in a while, hard to say I guess but no yeast problem. Maybe the garlic...

this is why I am using russes approach to natural chelation from 1 feeling the worst and 10 being the best I am at about a 5 ,but before amalgam removal I was at a 2 ,so 5 is very good for me now

I am doing what you might call an aggressive chelation. I take 250ml of ALA every 3 hours for up to a week. However, I sometimes take it an hour later. I definetelly get headaches from the staff. I take Algin after I am off ALA, so during my off days. But should I also take Algin on the days I chelate? The reason I am not doing that is because it is not part of the Andy's protocol. He says that if you do not miss doses but consistent with taking chelators on time, then redistribution will not occur. It will occur only if you miss the dose or don't do it on time. So I hesitate to add Algin during Andy's chelation, for I don't know if it will do more harm than good. What do others think?

I'm from Perth Western Australia and have recently started reading this forum. You and a few others mention Algin. What is it and what does it do? I've never heard of it!

Here's a page that explains what Algin is and what it does:

Algin

Personally, I think this is one of the most important supplements a person can use for heavy metal toxicity, and it seems to work very well for mercury. In a nutshell, Algin helps absorb heavy metals in the intestine and prevents their reuptake (or reabsorption). Without something in the intestine that will absorb or bind to the heavy metals, you run the risk of these toxins being reabsorbed back into the body to be redeposited all over again.

Let me know if you have any questions about Algin or want more details about how I use it and what it does for me. I'll be glad to share. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hi Laura,

Yea, I would like to know your opinion on taking Algin while chelating on Andy's protocol.

Me too...I was wondering if it would be beneficial in between rounds. For instance if you follow the 3 day on, 4 day off protocol with DMSA or DMPS w/or w/o ALA, could you take the Algin on the days off and benefit?

Thanks!

Hi glancina,

I was afraid that I did not set up the question proper. What I am asking is whether it's ok or beneficial to take Algin during the time you chelate via Cutler's protocol The question I think is interesting because Cutler says that if you take chelators every 3-4 hours, the redistribution will not occur. So, the situation gets more complex I think if Algin is added on the board during Cutler's chelation. I always take and reccomend Algin when off rounds.

Hi Alex: How much Algin do you take in between rounds? Your dosing schedule? Thanks, Gabriella

I don't think algin has any significance with cutler's protocole. they work on two, completely seperate levels, and don't interfere with one another.

Hi Glancina,

I take about 3-4 capsules 2 or 3 times a day, depending on how I feel. Usually, after I finish the round I take more, because I don't want redistribution to occur. So, on my first day off chelation I take about 4 capsules 3 to 4 times.




Hi jinx1983,

That's what I want to hear, but I would like to know for sure. For, there was a post here last summer, where one guy said that he does not take Algin during the Andy's rounds, because he claimed that that could interfere with the same dose of ALA every three hours. It makes sense though, because Algin is a absorbent and could absorb some ALA, thus taking away from consistent round dosing causing redistribution. So, I wonder what's the Algin experts reply.

Hi Alex,

My personal opinion is that Algin would be an asset to ANY heavy metal chelation protocol. Whenever someone is following a protocol to remove heavy metals (or other toxins for that matter), there exists the possibility of reabsorbing some of these toxins from the bowel. This is one reason why so many people get sick or feel worse once they start chelating/detoxing.

When I'm doing any chelating I always take Algin first, about 1 hour away from anything else I take, just to make sure that the Algin doesn't interfere with these other substances. I take Algin first so that it will already be in my system before I take any chelators. I also make sure to take Algin at least a few more times throughout the day and night, again about 1 hour away from other things. This way, I'll have a pretty constant supply of Algin available to absorb the heavy metals and toxins my body is eliminating. By doing this, I can avoid (or at least greatly reduce) the negative effects of detox.

So again, no matter what protocol I was following, I would add Algin to it. In fact, I take Algin daily, whether I'm taking chelators or not.

Personally, I'm also not worried about Algin interfering with ALA or other chelators, because in my opinion, I'd rather make sure I'm not reabsorbing heavy metals. I would simply adjust the chelation protocol a little to incorporate regular doses of Algin.

I hope I answered your question and gave you the information you needed. If you still have questions, feel free to post back and let me know.

Alex and Laura, thanks for the information. That helped me a lot. I was thinking I could NOT take Algin because I was on the Andy Cutler protocol. I will try small doses and see how it goes in between rounds and if have success, will try on the "on" days as well. I will let you know how it goes. Gabriella

hey glancina, how did taking algin an hr before ALA work out for you?
i can't start ALA until 3 months later anyway and i suffer from pretty bad constipation and the algin would probably do me good.
algin 2 hours before DMSA should be okay right?