Hi

I am fortunate in that i inherited strong teeth so did not get too many fillings. Most of the ones I had have gone since a number of teeth have been removed due to an incompetent dentist and tooth loosening.

Now I am left with two amalgams. One is very large and black and covers the top of the lower back molar, the last one i have, and the other one is small and on the outside of the only tooth I have past the incisors on the other lower side.

I have severe MCS so will not have a good time if I ingest any mercury from replacement.

What i would like to ask is, what would others do? Should i get the molar out (there is not tooth above it so it will not be missed) and get the small one replaced, or just have them both out and a replacement tooth or two put in the empty side? Thanks

Hi Mati, I really sympathise with your situation! I think you may find a lot of contradictory answers, because I dont know if anybody will no the ideal route you should take... only you can really make the final decision.

If it were me? I would save the tooth with the small filling and have that replaced with a good strong biocompatible material (e.g. cerec).

The other tooth with the large filling? Depending on how big the filling is and whether it is worth saving a tooth that might already only be held together by the filling itself. If it is worth saving? I'd probably do the same as the above. If not, I'd have it removed.

Removing teeth can also cause some potential problems. E.g. cavitations. If you haven't heard this before, cavitations can be caused by a tooth being removed without removing the periodontal ligament as well. Plus vaso constrictors in anaesthetic (due to slowing down blood flow and therefore healing to the area, frustrating bone growth over the hole).

The ligament is a little like the ambilical cord for the tooth. Problem is, when the tooth has been removed and the ligament left behind? There is no more function for it, so it can sit and rot underneath. Meanwhile healing occurs over the top and usually no external signs of a problem, whilst underneath a condition can form, which is similar to wet gangrene.

So if the cavity is not cleaned out thoroughly, the bone is not able to grow across the gap properly and therefore it is ripe for the growth of potent bacteria. This has the potential of causing systemic illness, sometimes as bad, if not worse than mercury toxicity.

Many people have cavitations and seem "ok", and so often this is because their immunity is keeping the problem localised. But sometimes the bacteria can spread and become systemic, especially if a person is already compromised in some way.

They are very tough to spot on xrays, and often are quite invisible. Hidden cavitations they are called. And often do not show any signs of a problem in the mouth (swelling etc), but sometimes they can.

Another cause of these is the use of vaso constrictors in local anaesthetics. vaso constrictors serve to increase the numbness to the area and prevent blood flow. The dentist like using them because they slow down bleeding and increase the length of the time of numbness, which would appear to be beneficial. In fact, I have read that they can contribute to dead teeth. How true that is? I don't know.

Problem with this is, the lack of blood flow to the area for such an extended period of time, can slow down or even prevent proper healing (e.g. bone growth). So again, another risk for cavitation formation.

Add this to a compromised immunity that may also slow down healing, and you can see how jawbone cavitations can occur.

So if you want to get teeth removed? I would suggest finding a good biologic dentist and requesting a NON vaso constrictor, non epinephrine anaesthetic (tell them you are intolerant to them if you wish), and request that the periodontal ligament be removed along with the tooth.

Also it is wise to have the area stitched, rather than packed. Packing may also interfere with healing.

I know it sounds extensive, but if you find the right dentist who is aware of cavitations, he should already understand this.

Other than that? There is the only other option of replacing the amalgam. Your chemical sensitivity is shared by many on here and if you feel that it is too risky to put in a foreign material? Then you may prefer to opt for removal.

HOwever, one lady I knew on here who was also very chemically sensitive, opted to have cerec porcelain and is tolerating them fine. But again, everybody is different and there is no one fast rule.

Wish there was! Also it is a case of finding an honest dentist who will LISTEN to your needs and discuss the better option and if you request amalgam removal, or removal, then he/she should be relied upon to do a thorough honest job.

You can always find a way to email some in your area first.
Also, severe MCS is often a sign of mercury. So it's a problem because the mercury can cause you to become highly sensitised to almost anything and evrything and therefore just about any replacement material may seem to be a problem. Detoxing mercury can often improve or even resolve this.

hi mati : this is a very good question ,and one that many of us here have had to deal with , there are only 2 options at this point , getting the 2 teeth filled with a composite material by a safe removal dentist or extracted by a safe removal dentist ,root canal is not an option ,as most root canals will cause a problem down the road , and as for the MCS this is a symtom of mercury poisoning and will get better with amalgam removal and detox , the following web site will help you locate a safe removal dentist in your area
www.iaomt.org/

Hi mati
I am in the process of getting my teeth pulled I had 21 fillings in like 15 teeth all molars no problem with the first two sessions but with the third I dont think the dentist did remove that ligament so now I m having problems but I see A Dentist today and there going to clean it out.I choose removing my teeth due to the fact they are messed up already and eventully i will have to get them pulled anyway.I am 35 and getting partials.Also I only have four to go and I feel this was the best choice for me.Just make sure he removes the ligament then detox slowly... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/sweats.gif" alt="" />

Extract the one with the big filling and no partner above, fill the other.

make sure the dentist removes the periodontal ligament on the extracted tooth.

Rinse with salt water (lots of salt, I like kosher salt for that) after your extraction, starting about 8-10 hours after, swish very lighty the first few days. On the second or 3rd day and once a day for the next week, soak a cotton swab, q-tip, in hydrogen peroxide and place a couple drops of that directly on the extraction site. Rinse with salt water about 1 minute after and spit out.

I have normally real nice teeth too, real straight, everything. In my early twenties i had a dentist that even asked if he could use my x-rays for text book purposes, teeth so perfect and straight, except for the fillings done as kid, which over the years have ruined my teeth. then I met a dentist up here locally who started destroying them too... a real shame what dentists can do to your teeth.

Hi Mati
A wise yong man gave me good advise about the salt and peroxide and its working really well.But I would get the big filled tooth out and leave the second one in .BUT MAKE SURE to get the Ligiment out or YOU WILL HAVE Problems like me if they dont. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif" alt="" />

Hi Bex

Thanks for that information about ligaments. It's not as simple as I thought. The last one out left an infection after extraction so i suppose it is reasonable to think that I may have infections. Why are teeth so much of a problem <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I see that it is important to get a good dentist to do things properly which according to that site which was given, thanks, is a long way away from me.


When I had the other extractions, I asked for one without adrenaline or preservatives and was not too bad. I will remember what you advised thanks.

others

thanks for your advice too. I was thinking that it would be best to have the molar extracted as the filling is so large and covers nearly the whole of the tooth. Is there a way to find out if there is infection in the cavitations and what can you do about it?

My mother had all of her teeth removed at 30 and she was far healthier than she should have been through her life considering she smoked cigarettes.

Hi Mati
I opted to pull the last four I had. I have stage 4 periodontal disease and would have lost them anyways. I was also afraid of the exposure because I was already so sick. My dentist first said no and then when he looked at them he decided to extract them instead. This was fine with me and I had already had one removed a few years ago by him and he did a wonderful job. This time was good too, he did alot of scraping and cleaning and no infections and I healed real nicely too. I can't tell ya what to do but I would probably pull the big one and have the small one filled. Oh also I prayed alot too!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smilieteleport.gif" alt="" />

Hi Mati, it is hard to spot cavitations, though sometimes they can be seen faintly on panoramic xrays (vague ghostley lines).

The typical areas are the wisdom teeth because they are often the worst to pull out and leave such a hole behind and their position too.

Your tooth with the big amalgam, would probably then be better to get removed. To avoid a cavitation, simply ask the dentist/oral surgeon to remove the periodontal ligament, and as you know, request the right anaesthetic without the unnecessary undesirables. He should have NO problems doing that for you.

A dentist here that I saw recently (just general, not even biologic), was very good and listened to me and I remember filling out a form before I saw him and I'm sure it mentioned reactions to anaesthetic, so I simply put bad reactions to the vaso constrictors, epinephrine and said the ill effects would go on long term.

I knew he listened because when he gave me the anaesthetic, instead of having the usual horrible heart palpitations, I had the typical tiredness, which was preferable.

You should be ok. Just eat healthy to prepare your body for this, so that it can better heal after it (bone etc).

Bex

Oh yes I remember the heart palpitations from one extraction. The dentist monitored them when i complained, but he sent a report to my GP, and said i had complained of it but the reading showed it was normal, which was a lie, it was 95+ when I am normally 65, low temperature and low heart rate (for somebody unfit). It made me really ill. After this, he said he would not give me a local again, as it would cost him too much to have one brought in specifically for me, (NHS treatment) but I could go to the dental hospital in Newcastle (UK) if I needed one again (I did) and they would be able to give me the anaesthetic I asked for. This time I was ok.

I am wondering whether to have the large filled tooth pulled, from a bio dentist as you say, then leave the smaller one for replacement until my health has improved, to avoid the mercury being dumped too fast ., as I am pretty sick atm. Apart from the amalgams I have also had the two mercury poisonings as a child so i expect there is a lot in there.

hi skieslimit

Yes this is what I am thinking of doing, and prying too! I'm really sure the Lord is leading me to get this done.

Hi Mati, what an awful experience!!! But that sounds very similar to myself.

I think that's a good plan re the getting the tooth removed and waiting from that and then later getting the small remaining amalgam out. Any dental work, no matter what it is, if it requires anaesthetic etc, it's a wise move to leave enough time inbetween to recover. To rush in too fast, get another local on top of that, plus other work, I think could make things much worse.

I've learned that I have to take it slow, or worse things happen. I also write things down that I want to ask the dentist or want him to know about, e.g. the non vaso constrictor anasethetic, the ligament being removed, or other things. I have taken over my serum test list, which is quite extensive and shows which dental materials I was compatible with and made sure the dentist told me exactly what he had and I would check them on the form.

Basically you are paying them! You have every right to request certain things and they should oblige (unless it's unethical or dangerous).

So I really hope that things go well for you when you get this done. At least it will be one big amalgam gone and only one little one to go <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hi Bex

Glad you agree with my plan. It means that i can get the extraction earlier as the anaesthetic will not have too much of a bad effect and hopefully will give me some slight improvement if there is an electrical charge from it. Yes I am taking things slowly after reading others experience here, and am just waiting for my Culter book to arrive. I will certainly be taking a list to the dentist! Thanks Bex for all your help. Really appreciated.

Mati

Hi Mati, you're welcome! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/garfield.gif" alt="" />

I hope the plan works out. It's really hard to know how to go about it all, I'm always scared of making a bad situation even worse. I think I've learned a little from the past, because I used to rush in without thinking.
Got away with that a few times, but in the end it caught up with me.

Hi Mati
A wise yong man gave me good advise about the salt and peroxide and its working really well.But I would get the big filled tooth out and leave the second one in .BUT MAKE SURE to get the Ligiment out or YOU WILL HAVE Problems like me if they dont.
SORRY THAT WAS A TYPO IT WAS A WISE YOUNG WOMAN who gave me that advice.I had my son on my mind when I was writing this post.My son was driving me nuts wanting money,car etc....