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Can anyone recommend a decent lab in the UK to get thyroid and adrenal tests done? The home testing stuff like Thyroid panel, adrenal stress panel etc. The time has come for me to investigate all this malarkey properly. I have started and it makes depressing reading <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ambulance.gif" alt="" />
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www.iwdl.co.uk this is where i ordered mine. Dawn.
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Thanks Dawn. All ordered now. Did u have anyone to help u understand what all this tests means? I'm reading about it, but i think i will need some help on this. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ambulance.gif" alt="" />
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HI Mati, thanks for that. Thanks for the help, I need all I can get. I have got a load of tests done now. I have read two books and I’m on my third. I am finding it tricky to know what to do. I now know whats wrong, but its real complicated to get my head around what to do about it. So many conflicting infomations. The mercury stuff was relatively easy, but this is hard work. no way can do this on my own. My local quack is on the case, but its unlikely I will be willing to take what he will push onto me. I have lost all faith in our health system and that includes the drug companies products they so want me to buy. Some other lines of enquiry have gone nowhere. I need sit down with someone and find a plan that fits in with what I believe & what I am and am not willing to take.
As every with me its never bloody easy. Its not just one thing, its everything thats wrong! My adrenals need support, my thyroids too, testosterone too. Everything! From what I understand its treat adrenals first.
All taken 30th October 2007
Male 38 yo
Adrenal stress profile (saliva) age group 30-39
Cortisol levels
Sample 1. 7-8am 10.8 ……… ref 12-22
Sample 2. 11-12am 4.3…………ref 4-8
Sample 3. 4-5pm 4.4…………ref 3-7
Sample 4. 11-12pm 1.6…………ref 1-3
Total daily cortisol 21.1………...ref 20-40
DHEA levels
Sample 2 am 0.41……………….ref 0.3-0.7
Sample 3 pm 0.30……………….ref 0.3-0.7
DHEA : cortisol Ratio 1.9………ref 0.8-3.5
(There was a comment about my adrenal stress type: “Cyclic Variation”)
Total Thyroid screen
Total Throxine (T4) 110………..ref 58-154
Thyroid stimulating hormone 1.16…..ref 0.4-4.0
Free thyroxine (T4) 18.5……….ref 10-22
Free T3 4.95……….ref 2.8-6.5
Free T4 : Free T3 ratio 3.74……ref 3.0-5.0
Thyroid auto antibodies
Thyroglobulin <20.0 ………ref 0-40 (- optimal range <40)
Peroxidase(mircosomal): <10….ref 0-35 (- optimal range <35)
Reverse T3 – 30.2………..……ref 9.0-35.0
Testosterone – Saliva 88 pg/ml…..ref 70-250
Ferritin – 212…………………..ref 30-400
Vitamin B12, Cobalamin (serum) – 730 …..ref 193-982
Folate(serum) – 8.2......................ref 3.0-17.0
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/highfive.gif" alt="" /> Yeah, I did ask. I was told “Yes, you need HC (hydrocortisone, aka Cortef) to support your adrenals. Then the thyroid hormones can get into your cells.” One book I read, said its great, the perfect cure, take it for…………………9-18 months, then slowly wean yourself off. Its that word “wean” I have weaned myself off a lot of things and in my opinion it is never easy “weaning”. One book I read said be really careful, it shuts down the adrenals, it should only be taken if adrenals real low. I don’t know how low they are…. One book said start treating whatever is most in trouble, either adrenals, thyroid or testosterone……well that’s helpful isn’t it……..not! They are all in trouble. I am now getting to the point where I can now start asking meaningful questions and hopefully understand the answers. Just taking hydrocortisone is not something I’m willing to just do. Before I launch into something that I’m gonna have to wean I want to make sure I understand in all correctly, which I don’t yet. But it will come to me sooner or later…………. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crossfingers.gif" alt="" />
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Hi Sunshine.
I don't recommend that you start messing around with your adrenals with hormone supplements. You'll probably mess up yourself more with that. Our adrenal and thyroid glands are not stupid, if they are acting weirdly, there is a good reason for that.
If you supplement with hormones, the organ controlling the pituitary gland starts wondering where did this excess hormone come from and issues an order to the pituitary gland to lower the adrenal production.
Only if the situation is critical should you consider supplementing with hormones. The glands correct their action with time, when your detoxification is complete.
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I agree, I think that supportive supplements, diet (weston price I'd always recommend) should come first, along with chelation. I'd be very wary of messing around with much else to be honest. I know it's anybody choice to do that if they want . But I would try anything before doing that.
If your already showing some promising signs on the little chelation you've done, that's quite exciting in itself. I'm sure these glands can start to come back into balance and heal once they get that chance. IF one takes hormones etc, surely this becomes something that one will eventually rely upon and not be able to do without eventually....If they are receiving it elsewhere, could this not signal to the body to produce even less?
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Sunshine I guess the real decision will be guided by how you feel. Are you functional? Do you have fatigue so debilitating you can't do a normal day? Are you housebound? Are you hypoglycemic? Very anxious? Cold all the time? If you are any or all of these things, you should think seriously about taking them. Dean on FDC recommends that almost all people take some form of adrenal support for the removal procedure, and chelation after, because it is so stressful on the body - and if you've got weak adrenals, it will make them worse. If you don't want to go on HC, try adrenal glandulars or supporting herbs - although these will do nothing to get the thyroid hormone into your cells, like cortisol. If you don't do well on this, or are getting worse, then you can review your decision. I would alway start on the weakest form of adrenal support, and work your way up according to need. If you feel OK and feel you can get by without it, then go for it, although thryoid / adrenals do tend to catch up with you at some stage - I have seen posts on FDC from people who are well down the path of chelating, and are not doing well because of weak thyroid / adrenals. A testing time will be the 6 month organ dump, which was vile for me, and continued that way for a good 6-8 months. Bear in mind it will take chelation with ALA for 12-18 months to get the endocrine system working properly again, IF it is not too damaged it can recover, so you will need to function in that time. 18 month post removal, I am currently doing my 29th round with 12.5mg DMSA, and don't anticipate starting with ALA any time soon, because I have such a high body burden, and daren't mobilize any more mercury than is already swishing around my system. For me adrenal / thyroid support was not a nice extra. I had stage 5 adrenal fatigue, was bed and housebound, and had to stop amalgam removal (13 amalgams over 6 months) because I was so weak. I don't think I'll get off the steroids now - I think too much damage has been done. What I'm trying to say is be guided by your symptoms. Don't go on support because your results say you need to. Does this make sense? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> Nicola
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Mati: Steroids are really bad for me. – exactly! PGM: I don't recommend that you start messing around with your adrenals with hormone supplements. You'll probably mess up yourself more with that. Our adrenal and thyroid glands are not stupid, if they are acting weirdly, there is a good reason for that.
If you supplement with hormones, the organ controlling the pituitary gland starts wondering where did this excess hormone come from and issues an order to the pituitary gland to lower the adrenal production.
Only if the situation is critical should you consider supplementing with hormones. The glands correct their action with time, when your detoxification is complete. – exactly! BEX: I agree, I think that supportive supplements, diet (weston price I'd always recommend) should come first, along with chelation. I'd be very wary of messing around with much else to be honest. I know it's anybody choice to do that if they want . But I would try anything before doing that.
If your already showing some promising signs on the little chelation you've done, that's quite exciting in itself. I'm sure these glands can start to come back into balance and heal once they get that chance. IF one takes hormones etc, surely this becomes something that one will eventually rely upon and not be able to do without eventually....If they are receiving it elsewhere, could this not signal to the body to produce even less? – exactly! Exactly why I am investigating all this stuff. My adrenal and thyroid have been battered this year with 5 amalgam dentist visits, causing 5 sets of 4 days nightmare symptoms, which each repeated 3 times 7/14/21 days later. That’s….(tapping calculator…..wow….wish I had not done that calculation)….thats 80 days this year, minimum, that I have been seriously funked up. wow….80 days , that’s a lot…..and I did not include the first amalgam removal without protection that messed me up good and proper….so probably 100 days this year I have been screwed up. no wonder my glands are struggling. When I started this investigation I knew zero about it, I have discovered they are low, so it needs investigating. I refuse to blindly take whatever anyone says I sould take, without first understanding it myself, to the best of my ability.
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Hi Nicola. Thank you for asking that. “I guess the real decision will be guided by how you feel.” 100pct correct, I need to treat myself, not my lab results. I am functional, I do continue to work, I am not housebound, I am not anxious, I was cold all the time, but recently that has faded. I am a little hypoglycaemic. I am however stuck in 2nd gear. Walking up stairs makes me tired; running for the train drains me. I have no extra energy for anything above walking pace. Standing up for 15 minutes makes me want to lie down and rest for 20 minutes. Standing for long periods totally exhausts me out. This has a big impact on my life. Something is seriously wrong somewhere. Yahoo FDC, yes, I have seen Deans comments. Removal was very stressful, I will find out if chelation is stressful. I am doing supporting herbs, liquorice tea, maca powder, kelp. I have doubled my Himalayan salt intake too which seems to agree with me. My long list of daily supplements all help keep my head above water too, which includes plenty of Chromium,Vit C, D & B which are all supposed to help. Will these things alone be enough, now that the stressful removal process is over? “would alway start on the weakest form of adrenal support, and work your way up according to need.” – yes that’s the plan. Thank you for reaffirming my thoughts. “A testing time will be the 6 month organ dump, which was vile for me, and continued that way for a good 6-8 months.” – yes, not looking forward to that, which is why I started chelating straight after amalgam free. “Does this make sense? ” – yes Nicola, makes great sense <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/highfive.gif" alt="" />
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