I am simply amazed at how people continue to pretend they know something about something when in reality they know nothing about something and vehemently defend that which they don't understand.

This is what is happening here. It's called emotionalism, and I continue to defend my integrity of knowledge because I actually have done my homework. It's clear to me that Linda has not.

It's hard for people to begin to think using logic at this level when they've spent their lives padding logic with desire so they can pick and choose whatever they want. Yet, this is what they accuse others of doing.

If I know nothing about something or if I have not done my homework on a subject, I am not too proud to admit it.

All I can do is tell you the truth.


(1) I am not the one making claims in regard to evolution. The one making the claims is responsible for supporting them, as Linda herself has stated.

(2) How can you offer evidence for something that we have not observed, i.e. "evolution".

Evolutionists have a catch 22 here.


Pride is a waste of time. Christ teaches us to be a servant to all and this is what I am attempting to do.

My specialty is assimilating information logically, and this skill can be applied to many fields. The accumulation of knowledge is my paint. Conclusion is my painting. This forum is my canvas (as well for many others).

I am practicing my specialty here and will not pretend to know things that I don't.

I am not holier than thou.

I am an idealists and a realist and so I strive for the best while admitting my limitations. We are equal under law and I am a sinner just like everyone else (except Christ) so I have no reason to treat anyone else badly, but I do believe it is my service to them to point out their faults, for how are they to improve themselves if they don't see (their own faults).

This act of pointing out someone's faults—even if they are in a belief in evolution—is not an act of pride. It is an act of friendship.


"Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."i

—Proverbs 27:17


School does little to prepare us for the real world. You may do well to read the book entitled "Rich Dad, Poor Dad".

I'm not saying this to be prideful. I'm saying this to point out that schooling had nothing to do with nearly all of the skills that I now have. My knowledge about mercury toxicity far exceeds any typical doctor's knowledge, yet it is one of the foremost toxins and I never went to medical school.

I play guitar, do sound engineering, program in many computer languages, build computers, design and build embedded systems, do print layout, graphics design, photography, write music, teach stage lighting, publish books, upgrade/modify printers, repair cars, drive a tractor, do electrical wiring, basic carpentry, basic plumbing, hang doors, teach the Bible, build speaker cabinets, I even empty the dishwasher <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />, but I never received formal training in any of these things.

In today's world, public schools are more involved in politics and socialistic conditioning than with education. It was one of the single largest wastes of time in my life.

A+ or F-, I have never lost a debate.


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We're talking about whatever we want to talk about.

Nevertheless, if someone cannot see the complete absurdity in evolution and someone cannot make the connection between evolution and global conspiracies, then there is nothing I can say to change their minds.

Why?

Because they have no interest in truth. Usually, they only want to pick and choose their "reality", and because of this prevalent attitude today, debate has turned from a process of debating logic to attempting to convince someone to just look at some evidence. Most often, "they don't want to."

Real research helps make things clear.

For example, Laura and I studied Mycoplasma this weekend, and in the space of just a few hours, we had gained a real understanding for what it is and how to combat it using alternative (natural) methods (olive oil, artemesia, among other things). Believe it or not, I actually enjoy this kind of thing (study).

You see, all my life, when everyone else was watching Three's Company or watching the Bills lose to Oakland, I was reading, thinking, and working on myself.

All of this work has paid off in allowing me to understand the world and the processes involved. I'm glad I did but this work does not make me better than anyone else, although it may make me more skilled at somethings.


Actually, to understand the nature of anything, it's extremely useful and often necessary to understand its origin.

If you are able to know that the origin of the theory of evolution was in the minds of men who had no scientific training, who had ulterior motives, and who had grave misconceptions about the nature of even a single cell (oversimplifying it by orders of magnitude), then you can understand more about the nature of the theory itself.

If you don't understand its origin, then you easily fall into the traps that are set by the very people who don't want to you to know the true origin.

So...

Talking about the origin of evolution is not only original, it's an evolutionary thought in these types of debates.

So, these other subjects I enter into the discussion are relevant. Just because you have not made this connection does not diminish their relevance.


In all honestly, I have, but you and Linda are both unable to see them.

For example, I explained how rules govern processes, and how there are no known rules that would enable the production of complex systems without external intelligence.

Show me the rules.

I've heard that some carbon atoms get together once in a while.

I've heard that some proteins sometimes bind.

All of these are processes based on known rules.

OK, so where's the evidence for evolution?

So, over millions of years no transitional forms were made or found (admitted to in an earlier video that I posted by an "honest" scientist), and even those silly species that they call transitional forms have symmetry even though no known rules exist that would support the processes necessary for symmetry (much less evolution itself).

If evolution exists, then nearly every fossil found would exhibit transitional characteristics. This is not what we find, however.

The bottom line is that if people cannot see through this absurd smokescreen called evolution, there is probably nothing I can do to help them, yet I will continue to try, because I have hope.


With all due respect, the one kindly giving me this advice thought that a conventional UPC symbol would never become the "mark of the beast". I demonstrated why this one was wrong. What happened to that argument?

Debates unfold differently depending on many things, including purpose.


I (again) believe you see it this way because you simply cannot see the connections between what I am saying and the subject at hand.


Well, that's very nice of you. Thanks.

The truth is, there are simple rules that govern most things in the universe. The complexity comes by stacking those rules upon other rules. This is the same method of managing complexity as used in modern-day computer programming.

When you look at these rules, you see that they govern processes; processes like the binding of atoms or the falling of matter towards a gravitational force. That's why these "rules"—as I call them—are called "laws" in their respective fields.

So, in arguing with Linda about this, I have resorted to showing this bottom line rule set because she has two fundamental issues when discerning these types of things:

(1) She is willing to accept things as truth that she does not understand, and

(2) She simply so much wants to believe evolution is true (probably because of some bad or series of bad experiences in the catholic church—not uncommon by the way).

So, I told her that the catholic church is not Christian to see if this would disarm her "hatred" at all. It didn't.

I clearly saw that she would hold on to this hatred with all that she had, even if it meant believing in things (processes) that she does not understand.

What this comes down to is values.

From all that I have witnessed, she must value (or decide to favor) emotions so much, that she is willing—both consciously and subconsciously—to believe whatever she can find that "supports" her emotional position, even if it is not logical.

My value is simple and Biblical, and that is that truth is more important than my emotions. I must bring myself into alignment with truth, not the other way around.

Now, this "value" of overriding truth by emotion is very common today and is part of the conditioning that we have in schools and movies the world over. "Trust your heart" we hear over and over again.

Unfortunately, this is a bad method for discerning truth and it is nearly impossible to get people in this state-of-mind to change. The only way people in this state can change is by experiencing one of the fundamental human forces:

(1) love, or
(2) fear.

This principle is exactly why we punish children when they try to put their fingers in the electrical socket even though you've told them not to. You have to make them fear doing it (before they kill themselves) so you may punish them so save their lives.

So, I consider this "emotionalism" that is being conditioned into us today a form of "dumbing down", and it's being performed in additional to all of the other forms of dumbing down that are taking place.

So, the bottom line is this: You cannot argue logically with a child, or a child-minded person (i.e., an emotionally-minded person) because, as an adult, they have the ability to say, "I don't want to", and you can't make them, and what I would wish that they do is:

(1) Know them self, and

(2) look at uncomfortable things (i.e., evidence that does not fit their current paradigm).

These things are amazingly hard to get people to do, yet, they are necessary for people to be able to think logically, which also means thinking objectively.

So, this is the real standoff: You can't debate with someone who doesn't want to. (they've already made up their mind regardless of the evidence—they are believing what they want to).

All you can do in this situation is to try to provoke them (emotionally) to begin to do the things required for logical thinking.

Unfortunately, emotionally-based adults are usually far more stubborn than children and I normally don't waste my energy trying to change them. I only continue debating here for the benefit of those looking on because I believe there may very well be someone there who will benefit.

Now, with all this said, I don't mean to be derogatory towards Linda at all, but to be honest with you, I have to tell you the truth about how I see the situation.

If it helps, I will also add that we all have some degree of emotionalism and stubbornness in us, me included. In fact, I believe that I am able to see these things clearly today because of the intense pain (ultimately fear—remember what I said about fear previously?) that I experienced earlier in my life.

Because that pain gave me the impetus to know myself and to try to find the cause of my fear, I discovered what an amazingly self centered person I was (as typically all children are).

When I humbled myself I was then able to see that the same was true for most people, that is, they are mostly extremely self-centered (selfish).

Through this humility and much pain, I was able to change and become someone I like much more than I used to—someone who is not as selfish as he used to be.

Now, the real problem for the world today is that few people ever grow beyond being a child and therefore never see themselves for what they are and therefore never see others for what they are and therefore, they are not able to see the evil in the world (if they are blind to their own they are blind to others), such as the evil that perpetrates the conspiracies that I speak so much about.

The sad thing is this. Because they are unable to see these things, they will fall victim to them.

Of course, when they fall victim to the evil ones (committing conspiracies), they (often) eventually—through pain (fear)—humble themselves and will begin to oppose the evil they fell victim to.

This entire mechanism that I am describing is what I call "The System of Human Interaction", and it is indeed a system that is self-balancing, just as natural selection is and just as predator populations are—and it is yet another hallmark of intelligent design—one people don't often talk about, much less see.

Well, I've said a lot here but as far as the ability for people to see through the absurdity of evolution, there is a mechanism that prevents them from seeing. The bible calls this inability "blindness", and indeed, if you could see how ridiculous the myth of evolution really is, then you begin to clearly see this amazing mechanism that governs (balances) human interaction allowing us to survive together whether we understand the system or not.

So, as I have said in all honesty and sincerity throughout this discussion:

Know yourself.

It takes courage and humility, but it changes your view of everything and everyone if you allow it to. It's truly like opening your eyes for the first time and really seeing what has been in front of your face for years.

This is the same mechanism that disables people from believing chemtrails are what they really are. It is the same mechanism that prevents people from seeing vaccines for what they really are.

This is why you generally have populations dividing into two camps over time, and the powers-that-be understand these principles and they use them against us. Indeed, they know us better than we know ourselves.

There is a movie made by the same guys that made "The Matrix" called "V for Vendetta". Although the movie is somewhat over simplified and does not completely "work", whoever wrote the script knows at least some of what I've been talking about.

I would recommend that anyone interested in these things rent the movie and listen very carefully to the dissertations given by the main character.

If you don't find them profound, then you don't yet know yourself.

If you do find them profound, then you may be on your way.

Anyway, these two camps that form in people's values always boil down to a person being driven by one of two human forces:

(1) Fear

(2) Love

In fact, my favorite scripture makes reference to this process of "growing up" and deciding to do "what is right", not because we fear, as was our motivation when we are young, but the motivation is love, and this is a sign of maturity.

"And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. We love him, because he first loved us."

—1 John 4:16-19

The word "torment" would better be translated "pain".


So, this whole subject that seems to be so far removed from evolution is really at the center of the subject, because an understanding of those mechanisms that govern our ability to discern and understand are the same mechanisms that are so profoundly affected by our values, namely, fear, or love.

As an attempt to know ourselves, we could post this question (to ourself):

"Why did I do that?"

If we are honest with ourselves, we will be astounded at how often the root reason is "fear", and by this process (and others) we can begin to know ourselves, and as we do, we foster the ability to overcome what the Bible refers to as "blindness" and we begin to see things as they really are.

I have experienced this. I have helped friends experience this as well. It is amazing and life changing, yet, so simple but not usually easy except for the most humble of people.

So, as long as we live in childlike emotionalism (as the world so often encourages us to), we will continue in blindness and we will make excellent servants for the powers that be, believing all along that we are free, but if we change and humble ourselves and know ourselves and begin to see, than we demand freedom and equality and peace and we then know the true difference between fear and love, slavery and freedom, evolution and creation.


"That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."

—John 3:15-21


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