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Russ, I've said that it isn't my job to refute entire websites and videos, and other people have already done this.


Ummm... Linda, that's exactly what you did previously, but I'll leave that alone and point it out only for your own benefit.

I'm attempting to clarify this conversation and enforce some accountability by specifying a specific question, so I'm not sure why you find it necessary to rebuke me on this account.

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That is why I have asked if we can discuss specific examples here.


Ummm... Again, that's exactly what I did in my previous post, so again, I'm not sure about the reason for the duplicity here.

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And also because I'd like to hear your personal questions, as I don't know what you do and don't understand about the issues in question.


What I know is that evolution is a myth promoted to support the spread of communistic socialism on a global basis to accomplish a specific agenda that is not good for you or your family; Not good at all. Again, the Bible predicted this one-world agenda clearly.

So, I do know what this is all about. The bottom line is that you're being duped and you're gladly buying into it.

I sincerely hope that you will gain the humility to check out some of these "fundamentalists" websites and see what startling evidence they have found for the integrity of the Bible.

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I'm not hunting through a fundamentalist website. If you have evidence for what you say then give it here please.


That's you're decision, but please know that it is an act of love to have given you the opportunity to find the astounding evidence of the integrity of the Bible, and all of the benefits and blessings that come with it.

People who care about football, know about football. People who care about money, know about money.

If you don't care to so-much-as take a look at the evidence that I openly state exists in the Bible establishing the integrity of the Book and the value of the knowledge it contains, then you are certainly not letting the data lead you, and this is a terribly unintellectual and biased way to discern truth.

I sincerely hope the lookers on do not adopt this method.

Please know that I am not lying to you when I say that I have found incredible evidences far beyond anything that I've found before. I only wish you would believe me.

The evidence is there for those who care:

http://www.khouse.org/6640_cat/prophetic/

Please don't cheat yourself of this astounding information.

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Bilateral symmetry is implemented by signalling molecules that give identical domains on left and right. A person's left eye (normally) is exposed to the same development signals as their right eye, so the two eyes grow alike.


With all due respect...
Do you even understand what you're saying here?

This is an astounding explanation that is more ridiculous than evolution itself, not to be disrespectful, but it's true. I'll explain why.

This explanation has only one thing going for it:

It sounds complex and intellectual enough to appeal to the pride of the hearer and to be blindly accepted by those who simply wish it to be true.

The mechanism that implements signaling molecules is more complex than some of the incredible subsystems in the body that you claim it is responsible for "creating".

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Let me explain.

Signaling molecules have to have a source that creates the molecule (a very complex thing), and it is has to have a destination that decodes a message (another complex thing), that is, a receptor that accepts the molecule and conveys it's information, and there has to be a language that is agreed upon between the source and destination. This does not even consider the complexity of the carrier or medium which must be suited to convey the message without getting dissolved, destroyed, or otherwise changed before reaching destination.

Simply spoken...

This mechanism of intelligent communication through molecular signaling is far more complex than many of the subsystem that evolutionists claim it created.

So...

This theory does not solve any problems for evolutionary theory at all. In fact, it create a whole new and more difficult can-of-worms by asking people to believe that something vastly more complex is an acceptable explanation for the formation of something that is vastly complex. They are asking you to believe that matched transmitting and receiving subsystems along with medium and distribution can "evolve" along with an agreed-upon language without any intelligent input.

Again, if you understand what the evolutionary myth is asking you to believe, you'd truly be embarrassed to admit you believe it. With all due respect, I can only guess that you really don't understand the depth and complexity of these subsystems and the issues involved and are therefore simply parroting something you heard on a website or book somewhere.

I believe that I have a distinct advantage over you in understanding the complexity of these types of systems because I used to design embedded systems. These are small computer systems that operate things like microwave ovens, cable boxes, and digital cameras.

I know how much complexity is involved in communication between chips and/or discrete embedded boards and I know that no one in their right mind who understands these systems would ever believe that they could make themselves, no matter how much time you attempt to add into the equation, especially considering the roulette wheel problem (a huge problem) I clearly explained in another thread (which has never been rebutted).

Signaling molecules and their system of interpretation are vastly more complex than embedded systems and are on level with the immune system of the body, which has many disconnected parts working together through a mind-bogglingly complex array of "languages", whether chemical or electrical or physical.

To boil this issue down, we have the question of the chicken or the egg.

Did symmetrical eyes (and feet and arms and shoulders and tendons and lungs and ...) evolve because of a vastly more complex signaling system? If so, how did the vastly complex signaling system evolve?

Now, in your argument, you bump your head against the issue of infinite regress, in other words, you're answering a complex question by providing a more complex answer.

This is bad science and even poorer reasoning. This is good for confusing amateurs but really bad "science" (Again, it's not science at all, it's politics.).

Finally, do you realize the amount of intelligible information that must be encoded, transmitted and then decoded in this process. Do you realize the complexity in the implementation of the data after it has been transmitted. This process is akin to DNA and reproduction (another of the countless huge problems for evolution). Do you see the vast issues here in trying to believe this system developed through a series of mutations, especially considering the "roulette" problem? You're making a 10^27 to 1 bet here Linda. The math doesn't lie.

I wish for the people who are reading this discussion to explore the impossibility of symmetry in evolution. Don't just blindly believe what you are told. Question it! Always question! And always use common sense. Also, don't break fundamental and well-established scientific laws in developing your theories unless you have a basis for explaining the error.

Earlier, I explained that the promoters of the evolution myth are counting on you be baffled by the complexity and seduced by the "feeling-of-intellect" so that you will blindly accept that which you don't understand.

It's time to return to reason and to get politics out of science and to see that there are no transitional forms. There would have to be countless examples of them everywhere if evolution existed, but they only stack lie up lie to exhaust you into giving up and accepting the more seductive of the two competing theories, but there is cyanide in those M&M's.

Nevertheless, those who do their research will find that the Bible not only has accurately predicted the future and has predicted archeological findings, but it contains math in the form of gematria that strongly authenticates the intelligence that created It.

I say here and now that finding the God of the Bible and asking Him to reveal Himself to you will be the most rewarding and enlightening things you ever do, if you are willing and He is willing, but you have to try.

I do hope that a new generation of intellects will arise that do not give themselves over to the seduction of "academic" acceptance but stay the course in real, pure, data-lead science and common sense and reject the politics that will attempt to bribe them.

The amount of deception in the world today is astounding and beguiles the mind of the typical evolutionist, but Bible scholars know and understand the state of world affairs and know that this was predicted centuries ago.

Linda, you can believe and parrot the myth of signaling molecules forming symmetry if you want to, but one day, if you ever really understand what you're being asked to believe, you will find that the amount of real faith required to accept it is not attainable by human beings. It is only by ignorance and intellectual seduction that people accept such outrageous theories—and that—by blind "faith" indeed.

No offense intended. I only hope that you—one day—truly come to understand the absurdity of evolutionary theory and the explanations thereof.

Here are some resources for those you wish to study more:

New Age Bible Versions

Hovind: Lies In The Textbooks

The Conspiracy Thread

Junk Science: Global Warming Myth Busted

The Sons of God and Biblical Prophecy, Michael Heiser

The Lincoln Assassination and the Jesuit Connection, Jon Eric Phelps (MP3)

Biblical Sorcery and Modern Drugs

...but outside are sorcerers...

...they did not repent of their medication...

...for by your medication were all the nations deceived.

Kennedy On Secret Societies

Bush Nazi Family Ties

Loose Change

The Bar Code and the Mark of the Beast

Chemtrail Centrail Report

One Nation Under Siege

Our Solor System

From Freedom To Fascism

(Linda, please know that I'm not asking you to visit any of these links. I only claim that they are related to our subject because having a clear understanding of real-life modern-life conspiracies is a springboard to authenticating the integrity of the Bible—these things were foretold.)

See Agenda 21 on population reduction.

"By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths."

—Revelation 9:18

Decode the symbolism carefully. Understand in the reading of the adjacent verses that the original meanings of the works don't translate well in some cases and in actuality, the adjacent verses depict a modern technological event. This is more clearly evident in this translation of the following verse:

"...Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth."

—Zechariah 14:12

Note that the word "consume away" could better be translated "dissolved" (as it is in some translations). This is a notable depiction of a nuclear detonation.

There is a lot more here, but I'll leave it here for now.


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